April 19, 2019 at 1:38 pm #67121Joe (G.W.N.S.)Moderator
Thanks Joe. I’ve noticed that a time or two lately but didn’t want to seem like a whiner and mention it.
We have a few issues that seem hidden from IT guys at moment.
As Max has mentioned a solutions is at hand, but for now I am fixing as alerted or if I happen across them.
I want to see more posts and I can fix them quick when alerted.
Besides a PM to me isn’t a whine!April 19, 2019 at 2:46 pm #67123MaxKeymaster
@robert – just stick that AK directly in the ground for 16 years, pull it up, it should work fine, right?April 19, 2019 at 2:58 pm #67124RobertParticipant
@robert – just stick that AK directly in the ground for 16 years, pull it up, it should work fine, right?
Normal SOP in that case is to bake mud encrusted AK near a fire, then break mud off in one or two sections followed up by peeing through both barrel and action in order to cut down on corrosion in the weapon itself. Full on cleaning (using dead Russian Major’s shoe laces are previously outlined) isn’t recommended for a minimum of 10,000 rounds after the preventative maintenance described above.
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Here is something to consider, more applicable to short-term caching, and probably more applicable to a limited AO rather than the vastness of North America.
In Northern Ireland, the IRA (various names but let’s keep it simple) were very clever about cut-outs in their organization. Thus they would have quartermasters who would move weapons and equipment through various channels where they would eventually be used in an attack. Ambush, sniper attack, IED etc.
In order for one group to be able to drop a weapon and for it to be picked up by another group, there had to be a way of knowing where. So lets say a couple of rifles are being moved along a transit route in order to get to an ASU for a planned attack. So one group would drop the weapons at a short term cache. These caches were often PVC pipes dug into the bank of a ditch or similar.
The technique was identified sometime in the 70’s or 80’s by an Army Captain, and used against them by security forces. So, when the cache was filled, the next courier would be told a method to find it. So, park in the ‘lay-by’ on the A** 5 miles outside *******. Remember this is usually ‘cutsie’ Northern Irish rural terrain of windy roads and hills and fields. A lay-by in this example is just a small parking area at the side of the road. An example might be – first marker – look for the tree struck by lightning. Second marker fenceline going east till it crosses a ditch. Third marker is 5 posts along the fence by the ditch until the broken fence post. In the ditch would be the dug-in cache, but end-caps visible, not having to actually dig it out.
So, once this method was identified, it would be used by security forces in an AO. As time went on in the political climatic it was not allowed for a security force patrol to do a random search, but what they were allowed to do was a ‘rummage’ of an area. As this was further tightened up these rummages could be achieved notionally as part of the 5/20 meter IED / VBIED checks at a halt. Thus, you move into an area and then conduct a rummage. You look about for something that could be used as a marker and then see what might be used after that. A little bit of ‘hedge beating’ is also involved at times.
But everything is a cat and mouse game. Is the cache a set-up for an IED? I remember on a green army rural patrol in my early days as a Para Patrol Commander where my buddy found a cache with the end caps on. Night. I can’t recall the circumstances but I told everyone to go away and pulled the end caps off. Thing was, I wanted to know if it was full – a rural counter-IED op ran on the 5 D’s – which meant delay, usually for about 5 days. This, if I had not pulled the end caps off and we had called it in on an empty cache, we would have ended up forming a cordon, digging battle trenches, and sitting there for 3 – 5 days until ATO (EOD) bothered his ass to take the long walk and check it out. As it was I could simply report it as an empty cache with the end caps off and not have to bother with all that crap.
There was a means where if few enough (think circle of trust) in the patrol saw it, they could call it in on a confidential number. Think maybe one or two guys seeing something and keeping it quiet. This was always better. In a counter-insurgency operation it is all about the Intel. Sit on an armalite in a cache for 5 days? Or, report it confidentially and allow a covert camera to be put on it, and the lay-by, and get information? If ‘Int Indicated’ enough, a manned reactive OP could be put on it. That would allow an arrest of a courier if wanted, or just an identification and more info into the Intel machine.
So this may not apply to someone burying a cache for 16 years, but it is something to think about in a political climate in any way similar to Northern Ireland, where security forces are looking for caches as weapons are moved,. However, that took a long time and a lot of training for the Brit Mil to reach that level of competence, so I don’t see that happening rapidly with security forces in the US.
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