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  • #51052
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    D Close
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    Long rifle, bipod or not?

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #51053
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    JohnnyMac
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    Definitely.

    I don’t know how I’d be able to have a consistent shot process without bipod in the prone position.

    #51054
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    idahocajun
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    Agree, definitely bipod!

    #51055
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    hellokitty
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    You should have one but you can shoot off of a ruck or pack too.

    CTT 1502, NODF 1502, CP 1503, RC 002- Rifleman, FoF x 2, Run and Gun, RS/CTT, CLC, CQBC, Heat 1

    Craig S.

    #51056
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    D Close
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    I’ll add this article to the conversation. This enhances @hellokitty‘s comment
    http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Hold+that+Forend.html

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #51059
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    hellokitty
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    @D Close :good
    Bipod is handy but not essential.

    CTT 1502, NODF 1502, CP 1503, RC 002- Rifleman, FoF x 2, Run and Gun, RS/CTT, CLC, CQBC, Heat 1

    Craig S.

    #51061
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    BrothersKeeper
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    I have a great Harris bipod with a QD Larue mount. I love this setup but can’t see running it in most of the operations we train at MVT. It just makes the rifle too front heavy. I guess I need more PT.

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    #51063
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    hellokitty
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    Or just use your pack.

    And I hate to burst anyone’s love for bipods but you can make a field expedient tripod using sticks and paracord. It works just like a bipod and guess what? It doesn’t weigh anything.

    CTT 1502, NODF 1502, CP 1503, RC 002- Rifleman, FoF x 2, Run and Gun, RS/CTT, CLC, CQBC, Heat 1

    Craig S.

    #51064
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    hellokitty
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    A link

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    Craig S.

    #51073
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    BrothersKeeper
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    You bastard Hello Kitty. How
    Dare you logically destroy my expensive bipod setup and offer me an almost free option that I could acquire anywhere. Preppers everywhere will unite and hang you for such insolence.
    ;-)

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    #51074
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    wheelsee
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    Or just use your pack.

    Have done this for years…….I’ve never tried it for >500 yards (primarily because SE TX was mostly forest or swamp with visibility < 100 yards, unless you’re on a high-line ROW).

    Straps to the ground, nice groove between the lower external pouch and the upper, G2G!!

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    #51075
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    farmer
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    You bastard Hello Kitty. How
    Dare you logically destroy my expensive bipod setup and offer me an almost free option that I could acquire anywhere. Preppers everywhere will unite and hang you for such insolence.
    ;-)

    Before or after researching to death? :unsure:

    RonW

    #51078
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    hellokitty
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    :whistle:
    Hehe

    CTT 1502, NODF 1502, CP 1503, RC 002- Rifleman, FoF x 2, Run and Gun, RS/CTT, CLC, CQBC, Heat 1

    Craig S.

    #51097
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    Robert
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    This is the reason most of my packs have black marks on them….

    You can pivot better off a pack IMO.

    But all of my precision rifles have bipods.

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    #51098
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    Darkrivers
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    Molle rifle rest for pack.

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    #51116
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    rhino11
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    What is the mission?
    Who is the OPFOR?
    What is the terrain?
    Is your weapon belt fed?

    #51120
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    D Close
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    What is the mission?
    Who is the OPFOR?
    What is the terrain?
    Is your weapon belt fed?

    This is a precision rifle sub-forum so no belt fed. How would different terrain dictate you choosing a bipod vs. a pack or improvised rest?

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #51191
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    rhino11
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    One of the lessons learned from PRS and other long range tactical competitions is that, everything else being equal, a bipod allows greater precision than an impromptu rest. Perhaps even more important: the rifle’s reaction to recoil is more easily controlled off a bipod, which means spotting one’s shot and setting up follow up shots is easier/quicker.

    The terrain almost always drives the range of likely engagements. The degree of precision necessary for ‘minute of man’ accuracy is less in tight or wooded terrain (think VTC) than it would be out west where potential engagement ranges are likely to be much further out.

    #51201
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    shooter
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    I have used the magazine as a monopod with great success out to 600 yards with AR/M4 type rifles for almost 20 years. I have also used a daypack and a full-size ruck, either lying down for prone, or standing on end for sitting or kneeling. (In my part of the world, prone will often let you see about 25 yards, while sitting/kneeling will let you see many hundred yards.)

    A good bipod from prone is definitely the most effective support for a special purpose “precision” or “long range” rifle, but sometimes it is just not workable.

    The mag/monopod method is faster and more handy for a general purpose “carbine”, like most of us would most likely carry in a typical MVT class… or in a real life SHTF situation.

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    We are all victims of our perspective.

    #51294
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    rhino11
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    There are always trade offs. Is the extra precision possible worth the extra weight and clunkiness? If you are heading out on a raid or ambush, especially if you are your squad’s designated marksman (DM), then probably yes. If you have reason to think the OPFOR may be wearing plates, then your accuracy requirements just became much tougher, especially if your area of operations has much open terrain.

    If you have access to a 300 yard range try shooting some groups using both the monopod technique and then off a bipod. See how much time it takes you to put 5 hits on a 9″ plate (paper or steel). Then try it again after doing some burpees.

    One addition consideration: not all AR’s function reliably using the monopod technique. I have a Colt which is functions perfectly with GI style mags resting on the ground, but has stoppages when using MAGPUL’s. Does your rifle function reliably with your ‘go to war’ mags pressed firmly into the ground?

    #51295
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    shooter
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    …One addition consideration: not all AR’s function reliably using the monopod technique. I have a Colt which is functions perfectly with GI style mags resting on the ground, but has stoppages when using MAGPUL’s.

    Yes. I have heard this before, but never actually seen a rifle that would malfunction because of the mag/monopod method. None of my half dozen AR types have an issue with it, BUT whatever methods/equipment you plan to use needs to be thoroughly tested before you can rely on it. Changing ammo type, magazine type, or ANY single part can make a huge difference in a given weapon’s reliability.

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    We are all victims of our perspective.

    #51326
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    BrigandActual
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    I’ve got a very nice Atlas bipod, and it works great for what it is intended to do. I’ve gotten freest use out of it when the terrain allows, but the truth is that for a lot of situations, I end up using something else (like a pack or improvised rest). I’m glad to have the iPod, but it is far from essential.

    "Man is still the first weapon of war" - Field Marshal Montgomery

    Matt B - VA

    #52403
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    D Close
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    I went ahead and got the Atlas for my Savage Model 10 FCP. Thanks for the feedback gents. Very helpful.

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #52408
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    zeerf
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    I went ahead and got the Atlas for my Savage Model 10 FCP. Thanks for the feedback gents. Very helpful.

    :good: looking forward to hearing your overall thoughts after some time shooting your new setup.

    #52448
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    Keeper
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    I went ahead and got the Atlas for my Savage Model 10 FCP. Thanks for the feedback gents. Very helpful.

    same here for the big rifle. But for a smaller battle rifle I would look at the GG&G bi pods lighter then a harris and no springs and more compact

    Alumni living in N.E Fla. for now. Going to retire in Iowa on the farm some day soon.

    #56735
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    I went ahead and got the Atlas for my Savage Model 10 FCP. Thanks for the feedback gents. Very helpful.

    same here for the big rifle. But for a smaller battle rifle I would look at the GG&G bi pods lighter then a harris and no springs and more compact

    Has anyone had experience with the GG&G?

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    #64426
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    Keeper
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    Just got a Magpul Bipod
    very nice more compact than a Harris and cheaper while doing the same function

    Alumni living in N.E Fla. for now. Going to retire in Iowa on the farm some day soon.

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