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  • #45956
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    Max
    Keymaster

    I saw the flyer posted on WRSA. This is 45 minutes from me and on a weekend where I have no MVT training.

    What is the deal with this? Who can fill me in on the nuances of this event? Is this something us MVT types should consider attending?

    I am simply curious for input. As useful thing, or avoid with a shitty stick….?

    #45965
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I’ll see what I can dig up!

    #45966
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    wigeon
    Participant

    This might help some. https://www.facebook.com/events/137857813439031/?ti=cl

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    #45974
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    Short Stroke
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    I don’t believe it’s prudent to associate with folks like Richard Spencer, who is one of the speakers.

    Danny from VA

    #45977
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    JeffSags
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    I don’t know much about Richard Spencer. How much does anyone know about Richard Spencer? Do we recoil at the mention of his name because we know him to be a bad guy or because we have been told he is a bad guy?

    Not saying this is the right or wrong g move for Max. My first thought was “oh Richard Spencer, gasp.”

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    #45978
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    Max
    Keymaster

    So who exactly is Richard Spencer. And before responding, check your media bias.

    I honestly don’t know much about him. But recalling some responses when I posted some of Donovan’s stuff, it is important to remember that forum members here are often affected by cultural marxist propaganda.

    #45979
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    TC
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    It’s supposed to be a right/alt-right rally for free speech against the so-called “politically correct liberal cucks” who have been committing violence against conservatives in the name of anti-fascism. Richard Spencer has become synonymous with Adolf Hitler in the eyes of the media and the general low information public, regardless of what he actually stands for. And since KKK groups are joining in, which goes back to the city recently removing the Robert E. Lee statue downtown, the media is heavily painting this event as a white supremacist rally and will likely lump everyone attending into that category with misleading photos and articles (guilt by association). If you went incognito then shouldn’t be an issue, but signaling MVT affiliation there seems risky for PR. I lived in Charlottesville for 8 years and it’s become a liberal hotbed despite the surrounding region being southern conservative, so there’s a lot of political tension there.

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    #45981
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    JeffSags
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    “There’s nothing strange going on here. Spencer openly admits that he is riding the Trump wave to promote the Alt Right. The media loves Spencer because they can use him to paint Trump as part of some looming white supremacist resurgence. It could have been someone else, but Spencer is who they gravitated towards. Last year’s NPI conference drew interest because of the election, and Spencer gave them a great soundbyte, then boom. Spencer had been doing this for years without any mainstream attention before last year’s NPI conference”

    Found that as a comment on a YouTube video.

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    #45982
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    So who exactly is Richard Spencer. And before responding, check your media bias.

    To answer this first lets consider what he and affiliate groups have to say.

    From AltRight who we are:

    Richard Spencer is President and Director of The National Policy Institute and Washington Summit Publishers. He is the founder of Radix Journal and RadixJournal.com. He was formerly an Assistant Editor at The American Conservative magazine and Executive Editor of Taki’s Magazine (Takimag). In 2010, he founded AlternativeRight.com.

    Spencer is a frequent essayist and blogger at Radix Journal; he hosts the weekly Radix Journal podcast; and records regular video blogs.

    Spencer’s publications and activities have been reported on by the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, National Public Radio, The Rachel Maddow Show, Buzzfeed, Salon.com, Vice.com, among many others. Spencer has been a frequent guest commentator on the cable network RT International.

    Spencer has addressed every NPI conference and has been a guest speaker at the Property and Freedom Society, The Traditional Britain Group, American Renaissance, and the HL Mencken Club. Spencer holds a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Virginia and a Master of Arts from the University of Chicago. He was a doctoral student at Duke University, before becoming a journalist.

    AltRight appears to be the current focus with the NPI being dated.

    From THE NATIONAL POLICY INSTITUTE:

    RICHARD B. SPENCER

    President and Director
    The National Policy Institute

    M.A. The University of Chicago
    B.A. The University of Virginia

    Richard Spencer is President and Director of The National Policy Institute and Washington Summit Publishers. He is the founder and Editor of Radix Journal and RadixJournal.com.

    He was formerly an Assistant Editor at The American Conservative magazine and Executive Editor of Taki’s Magazine (Takimag). In 2010, he founded AlternativeRight.com.

    Spencer is a frequent essayist and blogger at Radix Journal; he hosts the weekly Radix Journal podcast; and records regular video blogs.

    Spencer’s publications and activities have been reported on by the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, National Public Radio, The Rachel Maddow Show, Buzzfeed, Salon.com, Vice.com, among many others. Spencer has been a frequent guest commentator on the cable network RT International.

    Spencer has addressed every NPI conference and has been a guest speaker at the Property and Freedom Society, The Traditional Britain Group, American Renaissance, and the HL Mencken Club.

    Richard holds a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Virginia and a Master of Arts from the University of Chicago. He was a doctoral student at Duke University, before becoming a journalist.

    What does he really believe?

    Who knows, given the degree of bias concerning him it is difficult to truly discover “what makes him tick.”

    I will say the nut’s on the Socialist side are providing all the ammo the real White Supremacist’s need to increase their presence.

    A cursory look him and his affiliate groups suggest that at their core beliefs there is much I would describe as “kook theories.”

    Evil Jews etc…

    As the far Left has gone off the deep end, the so called far right has polished up its act to at least appear much more coherent.

    I will interject an anecdotal observation that in my experience the extreme Socialist’s tend to be very Racist, but go to great lengths to conceal it. However their actions reveal much.

    For the most part I think MVT needs to attempt to avoid “Negative Appearances” whether truly justified or not.

    Lastly I would ask you Max “how’s your back is doing?” Since the possibility of physical conflict is always a possibility at such events.

    #45984
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    Virgil Kane
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    Avoid crowds. Especially avoid crowds where there is potential for violence. If this were by invitation on private property it would be different.

    You know there will be ANTIFA there. Scuffles you can walk away from, but James Hodgekinson upped the game and who knows what will come next. I’m sure we’ve imported many bomb makers and there are many AFG and IRQ vets in the ANTIFA ranks.

    I’ll catch the highlights on youtube.

    “Cultural Marxist Propaganda”?

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    #45985
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    Max
    Keymaster

    I’m not here for tactical advice. I’m also not going. But as I stated, I want to know more about what this is, given the proximity. This is an opportunity for some analysis.

    I personally have no time for any of this rioting, from either side, oathkeepers, any of it. And I don’t even agree with their politics. I am a libertist. Don’t know what that is? Behind the curve.

    VK: do you not know what cultural marxism is? Do you not see how many reactions even on this forum are shaped by exposure to MSM ideology. I used the example above of Donovan and that BS from previous losts. See Diomedes reaction, even knowing me from attending class, suddenly panicking that I was now some white supremacist. Stupid reactions.

    I want rational analysis.

    I am sure some people have no idea what this forum is or is intended for. There is a forum vision statement, sticky. This is a rationalist forum primarily for tactical learning but also with a Liberty bent. A rationalist Liberty approach.

    #45987
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    D Close
    Moderator

    This event:

    Rally poster

    http://dixienet.org/rights/michaelhill.phpposter 812march

    per the WRSA post, includes numerous other speakers besides Spencer. Dr. Hill is President of League of the South.

    Another speaker, Christopher Cantwell, was an activist with the Free State Project that encourages libertarians to move to NH. They have had some political victories as a result. See controversy over comments about resisting police with violence if necessary.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

    Matthew Heimbach is a white nationalist who founded a chapter of Youth for Western Civilization. at Towson State. Has spoken about the threat of international Jewry and Zionism.

    Based on this last Gubernatorial Primary in Virginia, the status of Confederate monuments in Virginia is in play. The far Left candidate, Tom Periello campaigned on an aggressive anti-monument platform. He is from the Charlottesville area.

    The Trump supporting GOP candidate, Corey Stewart, got within 1.7% of the establishment GOP Gillespie. He was very anti-PC and campaigned well in rural counties. Based on voting totals, I expect Prog Ralph Northam to win. This sets up another urban vs rural fight in Virginia.

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #45988
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    Short Stroke
    Participant

    Agreed on Joe’s message: this association would not be positive for MVT, in my opinion. I am interested in MVT being a respected organization. That discussion is over anyway since Max has already said it’s not happening.

    The media made Richard Spencer famous. He has no reason to be as well-known as he is; he is not special. The mainstream media simply want to make the people and the world believe that Richard Spencer represents the American Right.

    I am genuinely interested in knowing what folks here think can be a positive outcome of focusing on race, as Spencer and others do. He constantly advocates for a “white ethno-state.” Our ideas of liberty ought not to hold for some races but not for others. Do we want to win over the people by advocating for the separation of races? Or by associating with folks like Spencer, who says and does foolish things like tweet about how he supports the New England Patriots because they are consistently the whitest team. Is that evil of him? I don’t think so, but it’s incredibly stupid to say.

    He and others held a march this year through Charlottesville with torches at night in support of keeping the Lee statue there. I am in support of keeping the statue there, but the imagery of that act was, in my opinion, counterproductive, and will not result in greater public support of the cause. When Spencer was asked about the KKK-like imagery, he responded by saying “it was a way to communicate with the dead.” This guy is an idiot. Not someone I want to associate with in the fight for liberty, even if we share many of the same goals and ideas of liberty.

    Please call me out on anything I said that is not factual, but I did try to verify each assertion above by looking at multiple sources, including Spencer’s own articles. I don’t know anything about the other speakers at the rally, but I’d be interested to know more if anyone else has the scoop.

    Danny from VA

    #46009
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    eric
    Participant

    This is just my opinion so take it as it is.I am an alumni member,and the proud father of two mixed children,one of the reasons I chose to train with Max,and a member of this forum is his stance on rightful liberty. I don’t believe racism and rightful liberty can go hand in hand, To me this forum represents,people that will train to be proficient to fight for the liberties of all humans. Not one person on this earth got to choose there skin color or there parents.

    Now in my opinion, this whole alt right movement is more then likely infiltrated by the Feds,if not created by. It’s purpose is to co-opt the liberty movement,in to this white nationalist movement. It’s obvious to me that the left is building a resistance campaign of future brown shirts. I think Trump will be out in 4 years or less, and then the left will begin a purge of the liberty movement, so that we can never have these racist/nazis in a America again.

    #46010
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    Max
    Keymaster

    It is so hard to get a rational point across. What I am looking for is rational analysis as to whether use movements are actually ‘racist’ / white supremacists or whether everyone is reacting like Pavlovs dog to the media portrayal.

    I hope my position is entirely clear and I do not get accused of loading people on box cars like happened when I posted about Donovan’s books.

    Maybe some of these people are racist. Maybe others are not and are portrayed as so. Black Lives Matter is racist. Are we confusing a stand for culture against the demonisation of ‘white’ with the KKK?

    Give me something rational, not just a media knee jerk. That is what we do here.

    For example what about this Lauren Southern who I have seen in videos on WRSA? Is she a ‘racist’ or fighting back for freedom and free speech?

    Do better here, please.

    #46015
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Here are some quotes for clarity.

    …it is important to remember that forum members here are often affected by cultural marxist propaganda.

    I want rational analysis.

    What I am looking for is rational analysis as to whether use movements are actually ‘racist’ / white supremacists or whether everyone is reacting like Pavlovs dog to the media portrayal.

    Give me something rational, not just a media knee jerk. That is what we do here.

    Bold mine for emphasis.

    Rational thought, it’s a good point!

    Can we back up our beliefs on any topic with facts?

    Particularly with something as emotional as racism?

    One of my favorite examples of using rational thought; since Max’s creation of this Forum, was the Ebola scare.

    When other sites were preaching “doom and gloom,” we were discussing prudent precautions, gear that should be had on hand as part of normal preparedness, legitimate facts and commentary by trained members.

    If you had believed many sites (even within the so called Freedom community) we should be living a “Mad Max” existence right now with the surviving 10% of the World’s population!

    What’s amazing to me is that after such dire predictions were proven wrong, is how many still listen to and value the opinions of these “Doomers” around the Web.

    There are many other examples here on the Forum.

    So is are our bias legitimate?

    Or is it based on propaganda?

    #47128
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    jaydiesel
    Participant

    The alt right is pretty interesting and seems to be gaining steam. In Europe they call themselves identitarian. You can check out Vox Day’s 16 points via google for a quick summary. Spencer coined the term Alt Right and seems to be one of the head guys. They are decidedly pro white and nationalist from an identity perspective. Ex. the French nation is white people of French heritage not Moroccans that speak French that have been in France for however long. They discuss IQ differences between races and generally accept the notion that northern Asians have a higher IQ than northern Europeans. It seems this point would preclude them from being full bore white supremacists although the SPLC would disagree. Many in the alt right drop racial slurs in their various podcasts which probably doesn’t help their general image but it does let you know where they stand. White separatists might be a better description. A general comparison between how Japanese or Chinese do not allow immigration and consider their homogeneous society a strength instead of a weakness. As the left suggests separate college classes, removes historic monuments and generally denigrates traditionally American and white society, the Alt right is the reaction as the pendulum swings the other way. The alt right does preach self defense when attacked by the violent left.

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