September 18, 2016 at 11:23 pm #33019TCParticipant
I’ve been wondering, how do you deal with the possibility of starvation when planning out your combat fitness goals, activities, and kit weight? Do you just get as strong and fit as you possibly can right now, and then pare down your kit/activities as you drop muscle mass during rationing? Or do you put a cap on your daily calories, muscle mass, and kit weight right now, in order to not require as many calories should food get scarce? What’s the proper approach here?
SE Florida ☆ CQBC 2017 ☆ CTT/DA 2017 ☆ CLC 2018September 19, 2016 at 12:13 am #33026AerohawkParticipant
If your not as fit and strong as possible at the start,Who is to say you survive long to starve. I would rather have good fitness and continue to work on my long term food storage.
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2017 Texas FoF/ CQBSeptember 19, 2016 at 9:10 am #33036RoadkillParticipant
In order to stay strong long term you need to do your own food production, aka gardening, better yet get gardening out of your vocabulary and think farming. This means both planting row crops, nutrient dense, and meat production. If you don’t have the space hook up with someone who does, think your tribe. Your preps may run out before any chance of normalcy returns. Don’t be the guy in the SKS commercial saying, “I’ll kill you for your food”.
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HEAT1 Aug18September 19, 2016 at 9:16 am #33037BrigandActualParticipant
When it goes sideways, ammo is time and fitness is life. I have a coworker who is a bodybuilder, and regularly competes in “Mr. Olympia” style events. He is very strong, very large (we jokingly call him, “The Mountain”), and very lean. He readily admits that he could only maintain such a physique in our modern world where food is readily available. If he found himself in a survival situation, his huge caloric needs paired with minimal body fat put him in a dangerous position.
If it all goes away, your body will do the best it can to match the conditions it finds itself in. There is an area of study going on right now called epigenetics, which looks at how your DNA will express itself differently based upon environmental conditions. It is quite possible to be strong and fit while not having access to huge excess of calories. But to get to that point, you have to train your body to be metabolically flexible now (which means proper nutrition and exercise).
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Matt B - VASeptember 19, 2016 at 9:25 am #33040RobertParticipant
You need to know what your body can and can’t do in this sort of situation.
I dropped 40 lbs. in about 4 months years ago. Cut calories down to 1,000 to 1,500 a day. During that time I still worked, ran, trained, fought, worked around the homestead, etc. All that helped the weight loss but it also let me know what I could and couldn’t do. Going to run at 4pm when all you have in the “tank” is about 500 calories for the day IS possible if you have the reserves. Without the reserves it gets a good bit harder. When you start getting dizzy, start to black out, etc. that’s not good. Just don’t use chainsaws during that time….
I’ve been around the same weight now for about six years. I don’t worry too much about 5 lbs. one way or another, unless I’m injured and can’t train. I know if SHTF, ideally I’ll be about 5 lbs. higher than I normally am, to give a little more buffer.
Fasting is something we should all do here and there. But don’t just sit around during it, do all you normally would and try to end the fast with a run or hike, that will let you know how your body is doing.
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Robert, I did the same as you nearly 5 years ago. I adopted a paleo/primal lifestyle/diet and dropped 45 lbs in 4 months. Same as you, I would hike, run, or ride my mountain bike in a fasted state (usually 15-18 hrs. without eating). One thing I noticed, after cutting the weight and the processed junk-food, I did not need to eat as much or as often as before, and I no longer experienced hunger as before. No more seasonal allergies, either. Having a natural, healthy metabolism will be key to survival if things go completely sideways.
C2G Feb 2015, CTT March 2016, CQB June 2018September 20, 2016 at 8:16 am #33115DiznNCParticipant
There was an old saying in the Marine Corps: “You don’t have to train to be miserable”. Which is true to a certain extent, in a large group setting, where the suck factor is already off the charts.
For us, yeah it still applies somewhat, in that the misery will still be there, but as long as you are used to it (through training we hope) you can deal with it as it comes.
As for how far you should artificially simulate it? If you already have a pretty good idea about your limits, I’d say you’re pretty GTG. Just wait for the real suck and embrace it, again. (Another MC saying: BOHICA: Bend Over, Here It Comes Again).
If you haven’t been tested out to these limits, then yeah, I’d suggest you get out there and explore them a little bit. You’d be surprised at what a difference it makes, mentally, to say, yeah this sucks, but I’ve been there before. I got this.
I remember patrol class when it’s zero-dark thirty, and your bone-tired, and it’s your turn to stand watch. And all this shit just lost it’s fun factor and now you have to do the hard work. Sleep deprivation, not enough chow, aches and pains, hot n cold.
I think the starvation part will take care of itself. You just have to adjust to whatever is available. It sounds like a paleo diet right now might be a good idea although that’s totally up to you.
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