January 3, 2018 at 12:06 pm #54271
I came across this lecture (below my text) by Matt Larsen to the Modern War Institute. There is a lot in this and I suggest that you watch the whole thing, including the questions.
There is a lot that you can do to prepare for combat, what we call ‘battle inoculation.’ Partly, you can attend MVT classes in both live fire and UTM Force on Force, and this is necessary but not perhaps entirely sufficient to be effective in combat. I know that these activities have a certain fear factor for some, and those that will not train have already counted themselves out for combat on the basis of being too cowardly to show up even for training: i.e. UTM might sting a little – but if that is too much fear for you, please don’t be by my side in combat! Oh my, someone may be behind me (and off to the side with safety angles) when I am on the tactical ranges! I was actually asked this once, in an email, if people would be behind this guy ‘on the firing line.’ Yes, no shit buddy, and never heard from him again.
I have seen no way so far that can realistically include hand to hand in MVT training. It is specifically barred from my firearms insurance and would require separate insurance. Also, there is no point without a whole constructive training progression, which you are better off doing elsewhere. I did offer a hand to hand class once, with a guy I trained with a lot in San Diego (former Ranger, excellent martial artist), but there were hardly any takers. Given that, there are probably too many hoops to jump just to allow limited hands on in perhaps something like a CQBC II class, and we don’t want people going hands on in the more basic classes.
Separately I was recently discussing the whole concept of fighting in society with some guys, and bemoaning that fact that it is impossible to knock someone out when they deserve it (and get away with it). I think people’s exposure to close physical violence is lacking. Many would say this is a good thing, but not if you are preparing for combat. I advise that you get some exposure to it. It is intimately tied in with any concealed carry you may be doing, and you need to know that not every situation is a shoot scenario.
Related to some skill and exposure to fight training, you need to expose yourself to fear. As Larsen was discussing, units I was in with BritMil had fighting as a specific part of the selection and training, and inherently involved activities that were in themselves scary. This gives you an exposure to fear and a knowledge of how to control it. Given people’s specific fears and phobias, some may need to learn how to control certain types of fear more than others. You are going to be scared, but you have to train to operate despite that fear. Skill, training, and drills go a long way to helping with that, as well as running those drills with a trusted team.
So although signing up for the local ‘hu flung pu’ dojo may help, it is not the whole story. That may help you with skills and controlling fear in a physical confrontation, but what about combat fear inoculation? This may be harder to do on your own, to motivate yourself to do it, but if you are getting selected into units in the military, there are things you have to do that you may not have volunteered to do on your own. These are often gateways, and will require the controlling of fear. So I advise that you think of things that you do not like, and go and do them in a controlled manner. Does parachuting scare you? Go and do a tandem jump, or accelerated free fall class. Go rock climbing if heights scare you, etc. If you tackle these in a safe way in a controlled environment, you will be able to bite off the little bits of fear, and control the panic enough to let you achieve them. You must move out of your comfort zone in a deliberate and controlled manner.
Otherwise, in our modern society, any taste of combat may be overwhelmingly a shock, and you may exhibit too much of a fearful response. After all, violent aggression is totally unacceptable in our modern culture. Don’t ask me how I know!
It is easy to skirt things and stay in a comfort zone. Why go to a jiu jitsu class and have to roll around with some smelly dude? And what about your ego, if he beats you. Larsen even says it in the lecture – overcoming the ego.
As a school for legitimate combat tactics, MVT suffers from being opposite to modern society. People do not train because they are lazy, have egos that stop them, and are ultimately cowards. It is easy to bluff yourself by only ever shooting on a flat range, but you are not being challenged and you are not being adequately trained or prepared. It is just a big game to most, about ego and signaling coolness. Fake tough guys. What it should be is part of your warrior ethos, to train to be as effective as you can be, as dangerous to your enemies as you can be.
So called ‘preppers’ are often the worst of this, motivated only by fear, and not really prepared individuals at all, given character inadequacies and lack of physical and tactical preparedness. I recently saw a quote talking about the role of a ‘survivalist’ after all to be ‘to survive.’ That is anathema to me, and puts me at odds with such culture. It speaks to me of mewling selfishness. Of course I want to survive, and I want my family and friends to survive, that goes without saying, but there has to be more than that. To be effective in combat, you have to have an element of selflessness, in order to give so your buddies may survive. It is mutual. There is nothing more emotional to me than acts of selflessness on the battlefield, or in any emergency or hostile situation. If you are so selfish that you can give nothing of yourself to help others, then I have a problem with that.
You need to be as fit as you can be, as tactically trained and as inured to fear as you can make yourself, in order to be effective in the protection of those that you love. You may also perhaps realize that in protecting those that you love, you may be giving your own life and limb, right?
Watch this, in its entirety:January 3, 2018 at 2:42 pm #54275
Listen, then hear it again. Max has already talked about hazing here (https://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/selections-purpose-hazing-and-are-they-doing-it-right/). Yet, Larsen talks about a process of education and skills and stopping something to reset it when the process starts to derail.
Take the lessons here and apply them. Everyday life. In a fast-paced ED (100K+ annually), it is sometimes difficult to drill but we do it – mock codes, mock disasters, and yes, you F it, you WILL be called out on it. Why?? Because people’s lives are at stake.
It is understanding what is the basic job and then working to accomplish it. When we attend MVT, what is the goal?? What is YOUR goal?? Now, what are you doing to prepare for it to be successful??
Can I run as fast as I used to?? Nope. Was I even fast back then? Nope. I always came in the bottom 10% while still meeting the time limit. I’ve NEVER been a fast runner, BUT I’ve never quit either. Slow, yep, but I will get there.
Can I shoot as good as I used to? Nope. But I’ve learned minute-of-man works fine (and can actually be better at bleeding someone out). Am I better at trauma/medicine than I used to be?? Heck yeah!! Feel more comfortable with my gear and skills?? As time as worn on, yes.
Again, when you attend MVT, WHAT is YOUR goal?? WHAT have you DONE to succeed?? Ball’s in your court…….
Which is heavier - a soldier's pack or a slave's chains? Napoleon
Strength, Honor. Maximus (Gladiator)
If you tolerate evil, you yourself are evil.
Col Hugo Martinez, Commander Search Bloc
William, in The Republic - CRS/CTT 2017, HEAT 2/CQB/FonF 2018, DCH 2018, HEAT 2/FonF 2019January 3, 2018 at 4:03 pm #54276
I think that’s the longest thing on youtube that has ever actually KEPT MY ATTENTION!! Excellent. If you have not watched it all the way through, do so.
The importance of combatives training as a part of your overall training cannot be understated.
Concepts such as timing are picked up well over time with regular sparring. Suddenly you get used to seeing openings and acting on them quickly without a 5 minute discussion or a research fest. You learn that you have to exploit gaps and more importantly that you have to exploit them quickly. I call this sort of thing “timing” cause I simply don’t know a better term.
I believe the speaker in the video is the same guy with the “H2H Modern Army Combatives” books which are pretty good.
The stress inoculation that comes from regular combatives training certainly plays over into areas like the FOF classes, etc. Learning to keep calm amongst the chaos is important. This is probably the hardest thing to instill to new people. Proper breathing is important, tension control and good movement are fundamental. It really takes getting your arse handed to you for many years to get into the grove of understanding this for some folks. It’s a humbling experience and too much for many folks.
Serious students of violence would do well to watch the video and apply it’s lessons to our situation.
And here’s a few motivating pics from some rare snow training we were able to get in earlier today- you never know where you are going to end up getting in a fight at :)
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“Survival is the celebration of choosing life over death. We know we’re going to die. We all die. But survival is saying: perhaps not today. In that sense, survivors don’t defeat death, they come to terms with it.” – Laurence Gonzales, Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why
I remember seeing interviews with gents from Band of Brothers, the actual guys, not the actors. A common thread was essentially understanding you were already dead, just a matter of when – so they did what they did, not concerned with “what might happen”
Which is heavier - a soldier's pack or a slave's chains? Napoleon
Strength, Honor. Maximus (Gladiator)
If you tolerate evil, you yourself are evil.
Col Hugo Martinez, Commander Search Bloc
William, in The Republic - CRS/CTT 2017, HEAT 2/CQB/FonF 2018, DCH 2018, HEAT 2/FonF 2019January 4, 2018 at 11:37 am #54302
The Deep Survival book is very good and worth a read. It also talks about why people get lost in the wilderness, pertinent to land nav.
It does also talk about the risk of ‘fish out of water death.’ He uses the example of a competent Army Ranger who died on a white water rafting trip. As I recall, he ended up in the water somehow and was simply not worried about it. He was a competent experienced guy, felt no fear in the situation, and thus did not appreciate the seriousness of his situation. He made no effort to get back into the raft.As I recall, he was taken under and drowned.
I was thinking about this and a simple personal example which is more amusing than a dangerous situation. I believe it was the second year down in Texas, and I was out on my own doing a recon for.new routes for the first time we ran combat patrol there. I was out by a river gorge in deep scrub, in what turned out to be off the ranch property when I fully assessed the route. I remember first seeing a fox, walking away from me, stopping and looking back. Then I saw some more. Cute foxes, but pretty large, typical bushy tails that foxes have. I was focussed on my tactical recon task and what was left of the RAM space in my head referred back to foxes I had experienced in the UK. It was with some embarassment that at some point later, it hit me that they were coyotes. Probably the same pack that had a male howling and challenging the overnight patrol base on the class itself.
I have no idea what danger coyotes pose during daylight (would be a better story with wolves!), and how my 9mm would have stacked up, but I make my embarassing point to show how competence in certain areas can lead to complacency, false confidence in situations, and thus lack of life saving fear.January 4, 2018 at 11:44 am #54303RobRoyParticipant
My take away, competence in basics leads to confidence in mindset, ymmv.
That said I cannot recommend CTT or HEAT as it is now known as enough.
The speaker mentioned that pogue outfit in Iraq 500th coffee pot repair regiment or something, IMO if they would have had a 4 day class they might have remained a unit (please feel free to call me a dumbass if I am wrong)
edit and try mightily to not fall into the pit of Dunning – Kruger
Slow, funny looking, annoying and difficult to handle.January 4, 2018 at 1:22 pm #54306
…how competence in certain areas can lead to complacency, false confidence in situations, and thus lack of life saving fear.
Good point, I think many forget; or are ignorant, that fear should be a good thing. Sure it needs to be balanced and not paralyzing, but it can be a powerful tool for survival.
Max’s coyote example is pretty common, getting “scope locked” to the mission at the expense of other considerations. This is where a team can help overcome these situations.
I don’t have too many jumps, always liked the feeling of flying under canopy, but never liked or got used to exiting the aircraft. Even with many hours hanging out of a helo on a gunners belt, there is something different for me between preparing to step out of aircraft.
Which makes this hard for me to relate to this level of complacency.
LOUISBURG, N.C. — A veteran sky diver who fell 10,500 feet to his death apparently forgot to wear a parachute in his excitement to film other sky divers, police said Monday after seeing footage taken by the man during his final free fall.
Ivan Lester McGuire, 35, of Durham died in the bizarre accident Saturday.
McGuire was filming a jump by other parachutists. Footage recorded by a voice-activated camera attached to his helmet led investigators to believe McGuire did not realize he was without a parachute.
”It kind of appears he reached for his parachute and didn’t have one,” Capt. Ralph Brown said after reviewing the tape. ”You could only see the instructor and the student falling on the video. But the release for his parachute is on his right hip, and when that right hand goes down, the left hand goes forward and it comes into . . . view.
”It’s kind of boggled in there, and it sounded like he may have said, ‘Oh no,’ right after his left hand came into view,” he said.
”Then the pictures get to moving real fast because he’s approaching the ground at 150 mph. The only thing the camera shows is the ground coming.”
Brown said he was ”99 percent sure” McGuire never was wearing a parachute. ”We are all preoccupied with doing our own job,” said Paul Fayard, owner of the Franklin County Sport Parachute Center.
”I think in the excitement over taping the show, I think he just forgot his parachute,” Brown said.
Police said McGuire was a veteran of more than 800 jumps and wanted to be the best sky-diving photographer in the country.
McGuire was so “scope locked” with getting good video footage and probably some fatigue that he forgot his parachute.
For me learning to overcome fears is a good thing, but not eliminate fear through overconfidence.
Find constructive ways to face your fears so you control them.
The fear at the moment of decision needs to be experienced to be appreciated.
I do not normally discuss specifics of this part of my service. I consider this topic far more valuable than it may seem.
A quick example from my past, not my first violent encounter, but for some reason burned into my memory with more clarity than whats normal for me.
It’s the moment before I enter a hostile room; the first time alone, couldn’t wait, and part of me is screaming don’t do it. Then I make entry…
My ears were pounding with my heartbeat. I struggled to control my breathing and my feet felt glued to the floor. The decision made everything slowed down… It had a unreal quality to it, almost out of body feeling, disconnected. Over in seconds, seemed like minutes.
As I returned to the hallway things became normal again.
Most here have at least read about the various physiological responses under high stress. I can’t explain why they seem to happen selectively for different, but similar events. Just my experience. Be aware of it and learn to embrace it.
Above was not my first time in a dangerous situation, but look how it effected me.
Again the moment of decision to step past your fear can be extremely intense.January 4, 2018 at 1:35 pm #54307
Buddy checks. UTM goggles anyone…..
January 4, 2018 at 3:20 pm #54308
Re: too familiar breeds over-confidence. I lost a fellow FF/Rescue Diver in the 90s. Beaumont FD. He and Ihadgone through academy together in 82. He and friends were fishing in the river when a freighter came by, swamping their boat. He decided to leave the boat and swim for shore (violating cardinal rule of boat accidents – stay with the boat!). He also violated a safety rule – didn’t wear life preserver. He never made it to shore. The other guys were picked up by passing boat.
Damn, that brings up memories….and not good ones….
Which is heavier - a soldier's pack or a slave's chains? Napoleon
Strength, Honor. Maximus (Gladiator)
If you tolerate evil, you yourself are evil.
Col Hugo Martinez, Commander Search Bloc
William, in The Republic - CRS/CTT 2017, HEAT 2/CQB/FonF 2018, DCH 2018, HEAT 2/FonF 2019January 4, 2018 at 4:53 pm #54309
Well this post is getting views, but what have you done lately to challenge yourself? What gets you out of your comfort zone?
When is the last time you were struck in the face?
What about grabbing a hold of someone to only then to discover they are significantly stronger than you? A “oh shit” moment!
If it’s longer than year your in for a shock!
As Max points out it’s not acceptable to be violently aggressive in our society. Even a display of aggressive uncompromising body language will absolutely freak out most today.
So what are you doing now to prepare for this?January 4, 2018 at 5:27 pm #54317
There is a level of panic that flashes on people’s faces when they are being choked or have realized the precariousness of a bad position, or just got rocked with a good strike. I’d love to tell you that goes away after the first time, but it seems to take a while.
Years ago, one of our guys was getting ready for a fight. Huge dude, bruiser, 275 at a low note. We only had a couple guys close to his size and almost no one wanted to spar with him. Fudge it, I’ll do it says the dumbass almost twice his age and 100 lbs. less. On the ground I dominated him but joint manipulation techniques were of little use. I usually tried to climb his back and choke the hell out of him. Doing stand up he knocked one of our main guys out in a few seconds. I saw that and realized I could not hang in the middle ground with this dude. My 5 minutes of hell came up and he worked hard to press me to the wall and beat the hell out of me like he had done the others. I kept moving, throwing some leg kicks where I could. At one point he just bulled in on me with his head kind of down. Dude is about 6’4 as it is. I got the plum on him and rocked him with a couple of knees before he broke free. He connected with a cross and I remember turning and starting to walk off. “There is 20 seconds left!” someone said to me- “No there’s not!” I said!!! I got rung pretty damn good . The next week he came in and I was messing with him before class about how he abused all of us LOL. “Shit man, look at this” and he pulls up his shirt. He has some crazy bruising from his hips to his ribs. He glances at me “you did that shit with those kicks.” I laughed and said “I was just trying to stay the hell away from you!” LMAO
What’s interesting is that this guy was awesome in sparring but locked up in fights a lot. I was about the only one that seemed to figure out the problem was with his breathing. You can really do a lot with good breathing. Breathe- I heard it helps.
It’s amazing to see guys trying hard to fight but almost completely holding their breath while they are doing it. Working against themselves and not even realizing it.
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What types of combative are all of you doing? I will be looking into some options for this. I have one day a week available that I’m not doing crossfit. I have studied boxing, kenpo and traditional American karate in the past. Im a lottle hesitant to join an mma gym.
If you're gonna fight, fight like you're the 3rd monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark... And Brother, it's starting to rain! James from TexasJanuary 4, 2018 at 7:29 pm #54321
I think you can’t go wrong with a basis in Jiu Jitsu. There will of course be many opinions on this. And it will depend on what is available for you in your area. But you also need to do some stand up striking work. Hopefully your jiu jitsu gym adds this.
Why so I say this? As a teenager, I was on the Judo team. I won teenage fights with Judo, but I realized I was taking hits on the way in. So at 18 I started doing Thai Boxing for a better stand up fight. Although fights will go to the ground, it is a hazard if you end up there with his buddies around. Also, you need to know how to defeat a grappler, or let them wrap you up.
In the USA until a few years ago, I was doing Filipino Kali. I think the drills this has you do is excellent for your reaction, being able to see and react to threats coming in at you, from fist, knife to stick. Many people freeze up at this point.
Sadly, MMA does have it right in the way it combines stand up kickboxing with grappling.
I have done some doorman work in my time, and recall doing some as the sole doorman at an Irish Bar in San Diego. I had an incident with a drugged up guy at the door, he went to hit me and I hit him right in the throat with an ooen handed straight arm. Sent him right back onto the sidewalk with a sickening thump of his head, blood everywhere. But he was drugged up, so I had no choice but to go into the gutter with him to try and lock him up. Pain would not stop him, I had to physically lock him up, put my weight on him so his head was jammed into the kerb, and hold him until the paddy wagon arrived. You need to be ready for strikes, and to be able to fight standing up, but also go to the ground.
Anecdotally, as part of the reserves I took part in a best NCO conpetition. It went through various levels and I won them all until the final one. I was about 40 years old and should not have been there. At every level there was an army combatives competition. It was always versions of army conbatives, which is basically jiu jitsu (which I have never actually done) and I won all of those. They ran it on a knock out basis, as in winners just fought the next guy one after another.
Sadly, the last competition was at Bragg. I was exhausted from the whole thing. Ruck marches, shooting, land nav etc. We got to the combatives part and it was no mercy, the bouts happened one after another. I went all the way through to the final bout, me and the one remaining guy, in the conbatives octagon at Bragg. Sweet balls of fire, I was totally blown with the minimim time between bouts. I was breathing so hard I could no longer tolerate the mouthguard. I had just fought, won, and then it was the final, so I was hiding in the back pretending to use the restroom while trying to catch my breath.
They announced a rule change for the final bout. Before it had just been grappling, which is why I was so blown, having to choke out or hold down the previous competitors. They allowed striking for this final fight, but kicks and open hand only. I realized I was blown so went for it, aggressively. However, as much as I slapped the shit out of him and wrestled with him, I could not get the choke. I was unable to finish the fight. If I could have punched him, I could have knocked him out from a clinch. This went on and I became exhausted. I eventually was just exhausted and lost my control on him. Eventually he got a mount on me, and get hold of my jacket lapels, and got a choke in. Nothing I could do, lights fucking out. So I lost that final bout.
Lessons? Yes, techique and be able to fight standing and on the ground. Obviouskly that fight was limited by the open hand rules. (Gay AF). But also PT. Clearly the amount of exercise I had done before that fight was unrealistic and I was twice the age of these dudes, and was totaly exhausted and basicaly unable to breathe, but in a matched fight, PT is often what wins it.January 4, 2018 at 10:29 pm #54326
+1 on the BJJ recommendation. Try to find a gym that tries to focus on the self defense aspect of it more than just the competition aspect. I try to keep everything in context when training- for example if you were fighting with someone in the street and you heel hooked them, what could stop them from pulling a knife and shanking the fudge out of you? Have you learned to adapt your techniques for control of the weapon hand? That’s the adaptation of skills that you have to use with things like this.
I absolutely love to choke people because no matter the guy’s size, he’s got to breath. And a good choke done right he will think he’s safe until he’s not, so less thrashing and acting a fool, just whisper “night night sweetheart” in there ear as you feel their body relax LMAO. For a LTL context, you can slowly put the person down in the recovery position from there, or cuff them, or like I tell our kids class- “choke them out, then take a video peeing on them while they are out and if they try to bully you again tell them you will post it on Facebook.”
The uniforms and clothes we wear, the slings we use, all of that can and should be used to choke people. Lacking that, if you have at least one arm you can choke the piss out of someone. So even if your in the Deep State Patriot Reeducation Camp and they’ve cut one of your arms off, you can still fight. Hell they can cut both of your arms off and you can choke them with your legs! The fight is never over till heads are on pikes.
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Thanks for the input Max and Robert. I’ll look into what BJJ is available near me. It’s certainly outside my comfort zone, but that makes it even more important.
If you're gonna fight, fight like you're the 3rd monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark... And Brother, it's starting to rain! James from TexasJanuary 4, 2018 at 11:06 pm #54335First SergeantModerator
Fear will get you killed.
Until you learn how to control it.
I have seen guys lock up inside an aircraft getting ready for a jump. I have seen the so called “bad ass tough guy” that everyone was afraid of turn into a blubbering baby when exposed to combat the first time.
It’s not that guys aren’t afraid when the two way range goes hot, it’s that they have learned how to control it.
@wheelsee – I have use that quote from BoB before and it’s one way to get people to get their heads right.
@Joe(G.W.N.S.) ain’t it amazing how two guys side by side in the same fight can experience it completely different due to time dilation?
Signal out, can you identify.
Je ne regrette rien...
Klagt Nicht, KämpftJanuary 5, 2018 at 11:00 am #54348
How many will read this stuff as part of their daily round of tactical and patriot outrage sites, and do nothing? How many will actually take the advice and get out and do these things? If you are doing it, come here and post about it. Encourage the others.
Who is doing the new PT Challenge with Johnnymac? If not, why not?
RobRoy you nonsensical bag of nonsense! You did CRCD back in the day and that is not sufficient. Check your testicles back out from her indoors’ handbag, and get on a class.
Sweet balls of fire people.January 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm #54360
At the moment I box (with some kickboxing thrown in) and wrestle weekly. I’m looking into Jiu Jitsu. There’s a well respected school that is near my house that I plan to check out next week. It’s very important to have a ground game but having a standing game is equally as important in my opinion. It’s just another layer of my training.
For anyone checking out gyms or different combative schools I would say that you should look at a place that actually spars. Not knowing what it feels like to get punched in the face is a wake up call for most.
RS+CTT, HEAT 2January 5, 2018 at 1:52 pm #54361
Sparring is interesting and you are not wrong. But if a gym has the wrong attitude this is one of the big reasons people will not go. Who wants to get a broken nose or a concussion on their evening training session?
I have always been in favor of an environment where the training benefit is the driving force, and not the ego. So you can run drills, and you can run gentle sparring, maybe up to 50% power.
This gives people training benefit, and as they improve they can decide to gravitate towards competition, or not.
For example, one of the reasons I never gravitated towards competition when I was doing Thai Boxing, was shin blocks without shin guards! I also notice that in training I was getting a lot of hematomas in the legs, along with the odd concussion, which impacted my physical training. Running and all that, leg injuries were not things I wanted. Like all things, it is a balance.
Same reason, having played Rugby for years, when I went to Sandhurst I heard about the ‘Y list’ for injured cadets. No way I wanted leg injuries from a bad tackle to prevent me 1graduating in a year, so I immediately gave up Rugby and focussed on running and tabbing fitness.January 5, 2018 at 2:13 pm #54362
Yeah with you on that one Max, good point. Should’ve been more specific. Although I have left trainings with black eyes (usually the next day), it’s definitely not the goal of the guys I train with to hurt the other. We leave our egos at the door and try to better ourselves. That’s one of the reasons that I said with “a little kick boxing thrown in”, getting kicked in the legs sucks.
So for any of the guys looking for a place to train, most all gyms will give you a few free sessions to get a feel. One can usually get a decent feel for a place in that time. Big egos/show offs lead to injuries and perhaps not actually learning anything.
RS+CTT, HEAT 2January 5, 2018 at 2:17 pm #54363
Quickly one last point, it’s very intimidating walking into a new gym or one could even say training at MVT. Usually it’s a mental game and the hardest part is simply signing up, walking in or just doing it.
I forget who said it, but I heard a quote once…”Man learns nothing except going from the known to the unknown”.
RS+CTT, HEAT 2January 5, 2018 at 2:46 pm #54364
More great input. I can believe this post doesn’t have more participation. I was doing a mix of Kenpo and Kung fu 3 days a week before I started crossfit. Once I started exercising I decided that was a priority. I don’t have the time to become a master at any specific disciplines, but I figure if I get more layers of training at least I might be good enough to get things done. Coming into any new training is intimidating, probably why most aren’t interested.
If you're gonna fight, fight like you're the 3rd monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark... And Brother, it's starting to rain! James from TexasJanuary 5, 2018 at 3:15 pm #54365
Most are just reading, blah, doing whatever they usually do, in the misconceptiom reading will make them better. Then going to all the patriot fake news outrage sites to read about evil deep state lizard jew alien people, and just generally hating.
Bottom line, yes there is getting competent at fighting and building a skill level. But if you really won’t do that, what you need is some inoculation to being the object of violence. You need to somehow train to not freeze up when punches start coming at you. This is what most people’s downfall is. It is all very well to be a legend in your own ego, but when it actually happens that burst of fight or flight fear / adrenalin breals it down to a very naked moment.
Even if you and a buddy, or one of your kids, or whatever, can put on 16oz gloves and do some controlled sparring. Even pad work with pads occassionally swiping you, then you are getting a clue. Van Damme movies will not download into action when suddenly blows are coming at you.
Recent observations have shown me that in modern society, people are not prepared for violence, and even worse, feel protected from it because they believe the bounds of modern society will protect them, whatever level of irresponsibility or lack or respect they show. In essence, people lack fear because society says violence is unacceptable, and thus they feel protected in their bullshit. They act in ways in which they would not, if they expected their behavior would result in a punch to the head.
Or they carry concealed, untrained, thinking that will protect them, when most situations in life are no shoot, or fight to shoot.January 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm #54366
Recent observations have shown me that in modern society, people are not prepared for violence…
So true. It’s hard to relate to the fact that there are people; probably the majority, that have never been in a fight! Not even as a kid. The closest they got was running to a adult yelling he/she hit me!
…and even worse, feel protected from it because they believe the bounds of modern society will protect them, whatever level of irresponsibility or lack or respect they show.
Sad, but true again and they freeze when/if their perceptions are challenged. At best they run when confronted.January 5, 2018 at 3:52 pm #54367
Or they carry concealed, untrained, thinking that will protect them, when most situations in life are no shoot, or fight to shoot.
I blame a variation of this for most of the school shootings. They get bullied, have no belief in their ability to defend themselves, so they finally decide the only option is a firearm.
When in the past it would have ended with a fight.January 5, 2018 at 5:10 pm #54371
It’s the classic “I do Glock Fu” type of argument from fat untrained CCW holders that never train enough with their “magic wand” in close quarters to realize just how easy it is to defeat a pistol at close range. Or the “he brought a knife to a gunfight” mantra, meanwhile they have never pressure tested FOF against a real knifer at close range to realize just how fudged up things can get so quickly.
I’ve found most “gun guys” are extremely apprehensive about doing H2H. Some will venture just slightly into knife work, but only till it becomes a little bit uncomfortable. Most H2H types don’t delve into gun training to the extent we do and will pay little more than cursory attention to working against knife, pistol, etc. Personally I think all of it is interesting and important to know for a serious student of violence.
Someone mentioned picking a gym, starting some place. I’m going to start a separate thread about that sort of thing so as not to sidetrack Max’s thread here.
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Looking forward to that thread as well.January 5, 2018 at 7:32 pm #54380DanielParticipant
I took a few Krav Maga classes until another student put a sweet elbow strike into my nose – all unprotected. I bled for hours and it took a long time to heal at my age, not to mention the looks my broken face got as I went through my normal life afterwards. I also wear eyeglasses and need to find something considerably dialed back.January 6, 2018 at 2:13 pm #54411RobRoyParticipant
The fuck if I am driving back to West Virginia thru that shithole Maryland which is Chicago but a state sized anus.
Texas might be in the plans when I get this retirement bullshit and relocation settled.
Speaking of nonsense feel free to delete this post if it chaps your ass. The friggin irony of the leader of Team Coyote giving us a story about scary Texas coyotes, it is true I was roflol.
Man jumps out of planes, runs to the sounds of guns, bombs and stuff, both puncher and punchee but worries about a 40lb canine.
have a good day
Slow, funny looking, annoying and difficult to handle.January 6, 2018 at 2:18 pm #54413
Wasn’t the point, as an example to make the wider survival point, that I was not worried?
You perplex me.
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