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May 19, 2015 at 10:03 pm #17688AnonymousInactive
It has always been a touchstone of american philosophy and jurisprudence that the gov’t shall not enjoy an overwhelming superiority over the population.
Therefore to fully avail ourselves of our 2nd Amendment right we should strive to employ sight system the rough equal of what gov’t force employs.
Nowadays it is possible for anyone with a semi-decent job to be fully night equipped and trained.
So I got my DBAL from JRH Industries some weeks ago to round out my kit.
Its a very nice looking unit from Steiner Germany.
Comes with a quality quick release thats is supposed to hold zero and it looks up to the job.
very professional appearing piece of gear.
Wanted to wait with the review until I had used it.
Now used it twice during NODF (Night Optical Device Firing) live-fire night classes.
For those who are not familiar with these systems, this is what they do:
During day time and dusk you can use a visible laser setting to illuminate your target.
The visble laser point can be zeroed ( even though IUR and visible are not “slaved” on this system) .
2 different powers of laser are available: the “light” power works great at dusk and darker the high power will illuminatre even at 100 yards in daytime.
(I experimented and at dusk the high power dot can be seen at up to 200 yds way more than is partially needed for the job because night fighting is all short range business anyway.)
The IR laser that is attached (fully zeroable) has 2 powers.
L and H.
it is there so when you wear a NOD (PVS-7 , or PVS 14) you can see the dot of your IR laser for aiming at night.
The IR dot is invisible to the naked eye.
So in other words when it is nighttime and I wear my PVS14 I can spot the IR laser and engage enemy w/o using my sights.
Point the IR laser till it is on target and pull trigger.
Not as easy a sit sounds though and ot properly integrate your kit with your training you need to take a course or own a property in the boonies where you can practice integrating these systems.
Some more bullets:
-The quick release holds zero 100%
-The so called “civilian power” laser is plenty for any realistic engagement distance.
The 3rd setting on military lasers is primarily for illuminating far off targets at night in open terrain. This extra may be somewhat Useful but not a crucial capability for our applications IMO.
– The unit illuminated by aimpoint and with my PVS-14 I could see the laser dot always on my target.
– When employing this during night time live fire on the move I never had a need to push it to the next higher power and ran it on basic power all night on both nights when running and gunning at night targets.
– It comes with a flat switch you can velcro to your VFG for instant on. The velcro backstop/tape for your VFG is included as well.
– The lasers all have different modes , Instant on and stay on. With a little practice it is easy to switch between both just using the flat switch on the velcro.
In summary I am VERY happy with this kit.
It has influenced my PoU to maintain my spare rifle configured as a “Night Fighter”
This means it carries this DBAL and a Weapons light with IR mode. (more on that later in a different review)
Robert from JRH also included a couple extra nice items with this unit, which I dont want to disclose so he doesnt feel the pressure to always include the same extra goodies.
PS: Even though this is a gear review. I need to emphasize that gear means nothing w/o being able to employ it. So preferably get professional training in employing these systems or if for some reason you can’t/won’t get proffesional instruction, practice, practice, practice. This will also teach you the weaknesses of night vision, so if you are ever caught w/o it at night against an OPFOR whom you know or suspect employs it you know how to counteract.
The most common issued NOD the PVS 14 can be counteracted by similar techniques as unaided vision. Camo, stealth, staying behind the bush etc WILL hide you.
Everyone is afraid of FLIR. But even that is not the all seeing eye. Because it has ot be cued. ….I have seen people defeat FLIR through fieldcraft.May 19, 2015 at 10:32 pm #17699Joe (G.W.N.S.)Moderator
The quick release holds zero 100%
This is what I really wanted to hear about them!
It’s nice to be able to remove when not needed and safely store.May 20, 2015 at 11:35 am #17723RobertParticipant
Folks, always be sure to mention that your an MVT alumni or on the forums here when you order with us- it will be worth your while to do so :)
Greens are on sale right now and shipping in just a day or two, which is nice cause Steiner/Laser Devices products usually have a lead time.
RMP, TC3, NODF, CRCD 6/14, CP 9/14. NODF, Land Nav, 6/15. Rifleman Challenge 9/15- Vanguard. FOFtactics 3/16, 10/16, 11/16, 6/17,11/17 CTT, 6/15, 11/16, , LRMC-1 9/17 GA Mobile CTT and DA 10/16, GA mobile DCH 3/18, HEAT1 3/18 Alum weekend 8/18, Opfor CLC 10/18, DA 11/18 CQBC 12/18, 5/19May 25, 2015 at 10:29 am #17849AnonymousInactive
Updated after some more practice this weekend, please see edits in original post.July 19, 2015 at 12:19 am #19246AgingDrifterParticipant
Fred–thanks very much for the review. I’m going to take the NV plunge (the wife has enthusiastically approved!), but in the spirit of fiscal responsibility and training time I think I’ll start with a FLIR this month. Is the FLIR Scout II 320 worth getting — there is a rebate going on at FLIR now so I’m ready to get off the fence.
I intend to bring both a FLIR and a NV rig similar/identical to what you’ve described to next February’s TX CTT/CP class, so I should have time to learn how the electronics work. Maybe Max can be persuaded to put on a form of his NODS class during the CTT portion.
Anyway, I see that Max carries some kind of FLIR, so they must work. But are there any considerations about models; I don’t want to buy a unit that doesn’t provide real world capability.
Thanks.July 19, 2015 at 12:39 am #19247AnonymousInactive
AD good to hear you are upping your game for the night!!
..; Max likes his FLIR Scout, maybe he’ll chime in if he sees this in time, I have used it very little but the few times I did it seemed to work well…
But let me add some 2 cent comments too: from a summary of what I posted elsewhere:
Training is the most important thing of course but it goes w/o saying that proper use of NV can be a multiplier.
When given a choice I prefer having the having a PVS14 in combination w/ a DBAL over a FLIR.
Because I can do 2 things with that combo, FIGHT and SPOT.
With a FLIR I can do only one thing SPOT.
Even though a FLIR is a better spotter than the PVS14/DBAL combo it is limited to that one function, so if I only can afford one item it would be the PVS14/DBAl Combo first.
Also SPOTting an enemy is usually assisted by many other factors such as lapses in fieldcraft (poor fieldcraft being almost the norm today).
Now are there moments when a FLIR gives you a huge decisive advantage?
yes and they can even include daytime use too.
But again the longest pole in the tent is the lack of ability to FIGHT at night rather than the ability to SPOT at night (which can be done in various ways not involving NV… and in any event PVS can do quite a bit of SPOTing too)July 19, 2015 at 12:55 am #19249AnonymousInactive
PS: An even more economical mount in lieu of the DBAL is the OTAL.
It lacks the (nice-to-have, but not key) visible light laser of the DBAL, but it gives you the all important IR laser capability at a noticably lower price.
All while weighing a bit less.
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