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  • #25678
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I’ve talked about utilizing the Swamp Redoubts, Brownwater coastal to inland waterways, Bluewater coastal to deep ocean as possible “Get out of Dodge” short/long term options.

    Obviously depending on where you live, knowledge, and family will determine what is applicable for you.

    For me it is always about having contingencies.

    So what about leaving for another country?

    Are there any places better than here?

    Well overall there is no place better than here, but there are certainly places where certain specific things are better.

    Reasons why I consider moving:

    Cost of Living

    Taxes

    Frustration

    national debt

    Social decay

    Post-event FREEFOR loss

    So where to go?

    Well it depends.

    Have you spent anytime overseas?

    Do you have any family or friends living overseas?

    What language skills do you have?

    I have three possible countries selected.

    All three you can live at a high standard of living on less than $1000 a month.

    All have modern medical care available at affordable prices.

    All have access to firearms (to varying degrees).

    All have fairly easy standards for a Retiree Visa for residency.

    You can’t work on this type of residency, but you can own a business and investments.

    A quick note I’ve seen this topic in other sites get stupid fast. Keep things polite and constructive! :yes:

    #25685
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    Lineman
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    Are you going to share your three or keep it a secret so it doesn’t get to full ;-) I’ve looked into Chile, Honduras, and Costa Rica..Ive also heard of places over in Asia that are good but don’t know of any first hand accounts…

    #25687
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    Former Sapper
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    I’m entitled to South African citizenship and wife is entitled to Irish citizenship (both places are pretty hostile to Brits in 1 way or another), in terms of having places to go those are options albeit not at the top of the list but they exist non the less. In terms of places I’d consider going other anywhere in the Anglosphere for the languages and cultural similarities or one of the quieter islands in the Carribbean.

    This is also the reason my eldest is attending a language school at the moment (part of her weekend home education) as will the others when they reach the eligible age, it gives a whole range of options to them that others don’t have.

    Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

    #25688
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    jane
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    G.W.N.S…. one of your countries must be Svalbard, but none of the pictures appear to be of Svalbard. Are you going to keep us holding our breath? ;-)

    Svalbard

    #25690
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    Greg Owens
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    Must be in southern hemisphere to mitigate radiation and global
    warming. Australia and NZ too expensive, too much ozone, and too
    close to asia. S. Africa no way. Almost bought a farm in San
    Rafael, Argentina but just too much corruption. That leaves
    Panguipulli Chile or if you really like oysters then Curaco de
    Velez on Chiloe. No point in even thinking about firearms.
    My studied opinion, Greg

    #25692
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    HiDesertRat
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    Panama. People are friendly, their government not too intrusive, good food available, they use usd for currency so easy to figure comparative prices, fairly high literacy rate, relatively easy to become permanent resident and if you want, after 5 years, can test for citizenship and obtain passport. Nice weather and no hurricanes either. Close to the Carribean and a central hub for central/south america businesses. Yes, they do speak spainish, so what.

    #25695
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    D Close
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    I think Panama is big with retirees for many of GWNS’s criteria, as is Costa Rica. I have yet to visit Belize but I hear good things.

    The only easy day was yesterday

    #25719
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Are you going to share your three…

    Are you going to keep us holding our breath?

    Unless you have spent time in a particular country I wouldn’t recommend moving there! Deciding on a country to relocate to is a an extreme decision. In fact unless you were military or state dept I can’t imagine living long enough in one area to justify moving there.

    I have yet to visit Belize but I hear good things.

    It’s a beautiful country. Definitely worth a visit.

    #25720
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    Lineman
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    Oh I thought this was going to be about the pro’s and cons of different countries to move to if it got real bad over here…I’m confused why you even brought it up if that wasn’t the intent..

    #25721
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    It’s too broad a subject to cover in those terms. What’s in my top three might not even factor in to your list.

    For instance, what languages do you speak? Do you pick up languages quickly?

    I am very well traveled and well past the halfway point (there is less than half the countries left for me to see).

    #25728
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    jane
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    I heard that Belize was corrupt to the bone…. just ask John MacAfee…

    #25730
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I heard that Belize was corrupt to the bone…

    You mean like a Country that would overlook giving away State secrets by the politically connected?

    #25731
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    jane
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    Ha… I think you are describing our state dept? ;-) I didn’t say this country wasn’t corrupt!

    I am talking about what Belize did to John MacAfee…. extortion / framing for murder unless he paid off the local officials with his fortune.

    #25732
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I really do not know the details of his case, but overall he must of screwed up bigtime to end up in his situation.

    #65401
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I thought this worth adding from Thread Gun bans: What does non-compliance look like?, not because I agree with this choice, but to show the variety of priorities.

    If I had to flee the US, maybe Canada, though by then they’d probably be inundated with American refugees. If the Democrats have their way Canada will soon be more free than America. In some ways Canadian gun law is already more open than the laws of places like CA or NY, though if the anti-gunners here win in the land of guns it will embolden anti-gunners everywhere else and have a cascade effect.

    Also from that Thread…

    I have many options ready for me based on updated awareness of what may unfold in as yet hypothetical events.

    These options vary from isolated cabins to leaving country, with many choices in between.

    Many are surprised by my last option which includes leaving country!

    It certainly isn’t my first choice, but yes I include this in my inventory.

    Some of you may not have that option due to logistics.

    If this country goes much more in the Socialist direction without effective resistance developing, I’ll leave.

    Not to freedom; as that will probably end with this nations demise, but to comfort.

    I think it would be crazy to stand and die as an individual. I only think there is a point standing if large enough groups find their courage beyond FaceBook and memes, and actually take a stand.

    Without this happening I’ll chose to finish my remaining years on a beach in one of my favorite third world countries playing retired tourist.

    I’ll die to defend our nation, but I won’t commit suicide for it.

    So hurry and wake up so I don’t become a beach bum overseas! ;-)

    #65403
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Something I’ve learned from my travels worldwide, for most the expatriate thing is not an option even If you think it might work.

    If you haven’t traveled it probably isn’t for you.

    Adapting to a new culture is not something most Americans excel in.

    Like a meat and potatoes diet, forget Asia and South Pacific. In fact most of the world revolves around rice.

    Can you afford it?

    Yea the places I like you can live well on a thousand a month, but do you have that?

    A government pension may stop if things go the way I think.

    Most of these countries love retirees since they don’t take jobs, spend money, don’t cost them money.

    Younger people? Only if you can pay your way if you want to stay longer than a month or two.

    So there is a theme here regarding all of my Swamp Redoubts, Brownwater coastal to inland waterways, Bluewater coastal to deep ocean, and expatriate as possible “Get out of Dodge” short/long term choices.

    They are only applicable to very few people.

    #65404
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    Should I stay or should I go?

    Although we love to travel, given the circumstances described, we decided that we would stay in America and fight alongside our family, friends, and neighbors…to the very last man or woman. “Live free, or die.”

    Those that turn tail and run will not be missed, nor welcomed back.

    #65407
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Those that turn tail and run will not be missed, nor welcomed back.

    Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one! ;-)

    Ultimately there are two points of consideration that cover deaths in combat.

    Lives that were spent on the battlefield and lives that were wasted on the battlefield!

    The spending of lives is a costly but necessary part of armed conflict.

    The wasting of lives due to incompetence, lack of planning, and arrogance to name a few. This is an unnecessary part of armed conflict that unfortunately happens far too often.

    Ignoring the role of Intelligence, the concepts behind it, and the products it provides will directly lead to Lives Wasted!

    Do not learn this lesson the hard way.

    I hope you don’t waste too many lives!

    #65409
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    …to the very last man or woman. “Live free, or die.”

    Since you added this through a edit while I replied, here is the original…

    Although we love to travel, given the circumstances described, we would stay in America and fight alongside our family, friends, and neighbors.

    …for reference.

    I am going to take a guess here.

    No combat experience?

    I’ll leave it here for the time being.

    #65411
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Stuck Case Rod has deleted his account over this exchange?

    Maybe he’ll reconsider at some point. :unsure:

    #65502
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    rampantraptor
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    I should add that becoming an ex-pat during a civil war can also be strategic rather than a statement of surrender. The Free French were based out of the UK, the PKK was based out of Syria for most of its existence and is now headquartered in the Qandil Mountains in Iraq, and much of the FSA’s civil leadership was based out of Turkey. That being said, that assumes that the host country tolerates such activities and runs the risk of there becoming an ever-growing gap between leadership in exile and commanders on the ground, the latter was an issue for the FSA units on the ground in Syria and their political leadership exiled in Turkey. The FSA only managed to gain a stable foothold in Syria under direct command of the Turks since the FSA’s political leadership became inept.

    Worse comes to worst, if things go south enough that foreign invasion becomes warranted, politically-organized expats can become the basis of a new government; much of Iraq’s post-2003 leadership spent time in exile, particularly in Iran. I would consider that the very worst option beyond outright submission to tyranny, since you’re effectively a puppet government of whichever regime put you in power.

    If there isn’t any popular support for widespread action once tyranny becomes the norm, that’s when it might be worth considering becoming an ex-pat. Otherwise you’re left with tit-for-tat stuff and being condemned by the broader population like the Weather Underground and their ilk. (Which I suppose begs the questions about how much tyranny is too much and how much popular support is necessary.)

    Beyond Canada, I could theoretically go to Rojava with my contacts, but I’m not sure how the political situation will develop from here and I don’t enjoy the thought of being so far from my family permanently. Latin America could also be an option, I know some basic Spanish too and could probably catch up rather quickly with what I know, my Spanish was already improving being around Spanish-speakers in Rojava.

    #RaqqaSummer2017
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    Jîn, Jiyan, Azadî

    #65503
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I’ve talked about utilizing the Swamp Redoubts, Brownwater coastal to inland waterways, Bluewater coastal to deep ocean as possible “Get out of Dodge” short/long term options.

    Obviously depending on where you live, knowledge, and family will determine what is applicable for you.

    For me it is always about having contingencies.

    My above quote points out my thinking, I plan for a variety of options. I do not put everything into one plan.

    For example many plan to shelter in place, but do they truly have what is required for such a limited choice. What if the downwind nuclear power plant meltsdown? Do you have a fully stocked fallout shelter to still shelter in place given this event?

    Leaving the U.S. is not my first choice, but it’s a fully fleshed out contingency for me. Just like all of my other plans.

    And as rampantraptor points out there are reasons beyond playing beach bum while overseas. ;-)

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