March 25, 2014 at 1:35 pm #1360AnonymousInactive
As I stand-by to order a stripped upper, I am wondering about the “NEED” for forward assist. I use it now after confirming that a cartridge is chambered.
However a cartridge has chambered 100% from the magazines. So I “USE” it, but it appears that I don’t “NEED” it.
Uppers without Forward Assist are more rigid, so I am leaning towards this next build not having forward assist.
Your thoughts……???March 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm #1364AnonymousInactive
Better to have it and not need it……???
Can you explain the benefit of not having one?March 25, 2014 at 3:57 pm #1376
Just my opinion, but in my mind the only time you would need it is if you have to ride the bolt forward in a situation where you have to keep as quiet as possible. You’d then use the forward assist to ensure the bolt was seated. Or, if you are one of those types that likes to do a press check. You do your press check and then use the forward assist to seat the bolt (I prefer just checking my mag and seeing which side the top round is on).
I have no actual battlefield type experience, fyi.March 25, 2014 at 4:22 pm #1381AnonymousInactive
Better to have it and not need it……???
Can you explain the benefit of not having one?
Less weight and marginally more inherent strength in the upper (if all other things are equal which they rarely are)..
Urban Lore has it Eugene Stoner was opposed to the forward assist.
I have never used it not once.
BUT I must admit the gun would feel naked w/o it and i would get paranoid about not having it and needing it sometime if I didn’t have one.March 25, 2014 at 4:23 pm #1382AnonymousInactive
The Uppers without forward assist are beefed up for heavy and/or longer barrels. They are much more RIGID, which contributes to better accuracy, and longer useful life. http://megaarms.com/ar-15/upper-receivers/billet-uppers/sbu-billet-upper-wo-ch-slot/
Can you explain the benefit of not having one?March 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm #1390
You don’t. It was an add on for, depending on whom you believe, to shove a bad round into a dirty chamber, or because the M1/M14 had a charging handle you could bump.
Better to get rid of the round.March 26, 2014 at 10:21 am #1480AnonymousInactive
I once used my Forward Assist to jam a bad round into a dirty chamber. At the range , last time I ever touched the thing.
If you’re going to ” press check ” , you’ll notice a cut-out semi circular depression on you bolt carrier. It’s for your thumb to press the BCG all the way home.
If a round is even mildly barely uncooperative I dump it.March 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm #1856
My thought is the same as Mayor. Better to have it and not need it. Something else to consider is that a forward assist being present does not necessarily make the upper less rigid. When you build your piece, you may not need to do anything to it all to tighten it up. If the halves don’t fit as tightly as you would like, and Accu Wedge does wonders. Being a two piece system, I don’t understand the rigidity issue unless it would be a bolt gun. Am I having a “Senior moment”?March 29, 2014 at 1:46 pm #1896
I’ve used mine once and won’t be doing so again. I’m going to dump the round and re-chamber, if that doesn’t work- go to your pistol until you can find enough cover to swab the chamber with a brush. Shoving a round in will jam it up and possibly damage the rifle.
My lightweight AR doesn’t have one and it does just fine.March 31, 2014 at 10:05 am #2027AnonymousInactive
I saw one at the range yesterday needing it and it worked as designed :)
But that was the 1st time in 20+ years as a shooter.March 31, 2014 at 10:58 am #2033DuaneHParticipant
Just my two cents: Don’t use it.
In my relatively limited experience, it is frequently the precursor to a jam.
I am a proponent of Non-Diagnostic Weapons handling. In other words: Don’t try to figure out the problems, just get your rifle running again. First thing: Tap the mag and rack the slide/charging handle. This is non diagnostic because it is what you do when you insert the mag or the rifle doesn’t go bang. If that doesn’t work, then do a mag change and tap, rack, bang.
If you have too many things to think about when the bullets are flying then you will be slow on returning fire. Sure there is a time for S.P.O.R.T.S. Just not when you are on the “X”
If you have a rifle that doesn’t go into battery all the time (thus needing the forward assist) then you need to assess why.
Most of the time, the rifle is not properly lubricated or someone is riding the charging handle or someone used the bolt release.
Believe it or not, the pulling of the charging handle back and releasing gives a little more OOMPH to the bolt. It is also Non-Diagnostic.
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TEAM COYOTE!April 1, 2014 at 3:00 pm #2149RRSParticipant
All good advice, but as the person who used his at the last class and has used the FA many times I would not take an AR off the shelf without one.
I came home and think I diagnosed my problem and it is not the fault of LMT or my Pmags it was the nut behind the butt. My problem was a dirty chamber combined with full mags and doing the reload procedure. I can only guess that the BCG does not have the energy from releasing the bolt catch than it does from firing the weapon.
As written above I have used the charging handle to ride the BCG home in many situations and often it requires a nudge from the FA to accomplish the goal of putting the rifle into full battery.
But if I were to have a failure to go completely into battery on say mid magazine I would probably fill my pants because I would be inclined to think it is a precursor to a jam and then worse lead to a FTE. Then I would eject the round and pray it was just a bad round.
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