November 8, 2016 at 3:46 pm #35969
I was messing with one of my 3X Special Forces rigs, doing some R&D with a Crye JPC. I had already had the cummerbund on the JPC modified to buckle up without velcro, and then the thought occurred to me: why even use the cummerbund if I am using the PC Attachment kit?
The rigs we sell are designed so that they can be worn:
- On their own with the accompanying h-harness.
- Over a Plate carrier (PC) using the h-harness.
- Clipped to a PC using the PC attachment kit.
This gives you a lot of flexibility and options when it comes to the use of a plate carrier.
Below: PC Attachment kit
Below: 3X Special Forces Rig attached to the Crye JPC using the PC Attachment Kit.
In the photo above, the left side shows an MVT large admin pouch, on the right are 2 x Medium admin pouches, one holding a FLIR Scout. The radio is in the inner radio pouch on the right side of view, leaving the left side of view radio pouch free, it can hold up to 2 x 5.56 mags. The front empty mag pouches have kydex inserts for lightning fast combat reloads and return of mags to the rig (tactical reloads).
Below: Left side view of the rig, the PC attachment kit taking the pace of the cummerbund on the Crye JPC, which I have removed.
Below: rear view of the Rig, showing the PC Kit buckles attached to the PALS webbing on the back of the Crye JPC.
Below: Right side of the Rig.
Below: Front View. The use of an MVT rig wit PC Kit gives you 4 – 6 mags on the front of your PC, depending on the rig you use, all with kydex inserts, rather than the standard 3 mags that will fit on the front of PC.
Below: Student at class with a Responder Rig attached the a Mayflower PC.
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Is it difficult to snap the side buckles by yourself with your set up. I was having difficulty reaching mine.
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Craig S.November 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm #36003
I had same issue at first but endup sliding mine over the top of my head (leaving it bucked most times). Not always ideal but seems to be working for me so far.November 8, 2016 at 7:06 pm #36005hellokittyParticipant
Thx zeerf, good idea
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Craig S.November 8, 2016 at 7:13 pm #36006wheelseeParticipant
My old kit had to slip over my head. I would unbuckle 1 side to take off, then rebuckle but with the strap all the way out. This would give me enough room to slip vest over my head (be sure to take glasses off before, still have to remember this one….), then tighten the straps.
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William, in The RepublicNovember 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm #36019
In all honesty I shouldn’t have had the gear on, but did with no mags. I always leave one side done up. I had no difficulty even with my back reaching back on the one side for the two clips. You could also do what is suggested here and put it on over your head with both sides done up loosely. The pull is forward so it is easy to tighten the rig once it is on.November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am #36162KeeperParticipant
Question, what rig would be the best fit to add to the front of a PC the six or four mag holder. By have the chest rig instead of the cumber bun can you get it snug enough to prevent the PC from jumping around?
Alumni living in N.E Fla. for now. Going to retire in Iowa on the farm some day soon.November 9, 2016 at 11:59 am #36164tangoParticipant
What you’re trying to do with the elastic side straps is great, but consider this design:
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It’s a very similar design, so what’s your point? In fact, the high speed gear version has a pull to the rear, which is not ideal, but ours have a pull forward, which is what you want. The photo up top is in fact an incorrect prototype and needs to be updated, the photos of the rig show it accurately.
Other than that are you saying we need bugger elastic? It’s a point for consideration, but the HSG version relies on elastic, which degrades, yet even if our elastic breaks, it retains the strength of the webbing strap.November 9, 2016 at 3:00 pm #36177tangoParticipant
Where your pictures show the shock cord tying the two loops over the webbing together sew in the elastic instead. Same purpose, but a little neater. It removes the knots on the shock cord and any discomfort that may come from those poking and prodding, not to mention a potential failure of the knot.
Like I said, what you’re trying to do is great. Elastic in place of the shock cord is just neater, simpler, and slimmer to the end user.
Weak Men can't be virtuous. - JBPNovember 9, 2016 at 6:34 pm #36213
I’m not gonna give you credit for this one, because before I saw this I had already discussed this with the OEM. Our PC Kit has the advantage of puling forward, which is what you want. We will see if there is any comparable advantage to sewing a band of elastic across the gap, rather than using the loop. We will not simply insert elastic like HSGI, because that adds weakness – we will always have the complete length of webbing, but may substitute the exact way we elasticate the loop piece.November 9, 2016 at 7:12 pm #36217
It would seem to me the advantage of using shock cord is the ease of replacement for the end user.
Whether elastic or shock cord its elasticity will fail eventually.November 15, 2016 at 3:01 pm #36701
Here is a thought for another possible use of the PC Attachment Kit.
So if you look at the 3X rig when worn, it appears the bottom left/right corners fall at the individuals left/right side torso centerlines.
What do our gear experts think about attaching a buckle or two at those center points on CR that could allow a strap hooked to a lite (or even not so lite) battle belt?
Not so much to allow more weight on battle belt, but to help prevent lite battle belt from descending with a slightly looser belt or for people whose build doesn’t support the belt well.
Essentially providing the support of suspenders without using them.
Probably not for everyone, but maybe a option for some.
Thoughts?November 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm #36706AnonymousInactive
I use an Eagle Industries padded war-belt (8415-01-529-1276) with the flat war-belt suspenders (8415-01-529-2456). The suspenders add no bulk whatsoever, as they are flat. That solves the belt sliding down, pulling my pants and underwear with it problem.November 15, 2016 at 4:11 pm #36711
That solves the belt sliding down…
There is no shortage of options, this idea is another possibility.
I haven’t got a 3X rig yet, but might try this out when I do.
I currently use a low ride holster and magazine subload attached to my riggers belt and use M-1950 Suspenders as a cheap effective option.November 15, 2016 at 5:39 pm #36720AnonymousInactive
I’m getting the 3X rig too, after I get my FNH M-4 on layaway paid off (two more payments!). I’m running a 5.11 rig now, but I like the idea of not having to screw with bungees.
I have a High Speed Gear AK chest rig, and it’s very much like the 3x rig, but has the bungee retention system. (Sometimes I go full AK retard, lol) BTW, it works perfectly with 40 round AR Pmags.November 20, 2016 at 11:18 am #36936MrhounddogParticipant
Keeper had a good question, and it is one that I have been wondering about. If you clip your chest rig into your PC, then run the straps from the chest rig to the back plate pouch, what keeps the front plate pouch from excessive movement when you are exerting yourself? Most placards have velcro to prevent that. Is it a non issue? What are your experiences with this?
One more question: What sort of hydration rig do you use with a PC setup? All of my experience has been with IBA and IOTVs.November 20, 2016 at 12:26 pm #36937
Watching a guy run his 3X on his PC with no cummerbund, just the PC Kit straps, at CTT all weekend. It’s a non issue. I think he’s on the forum so I will ask him to comment when he can. I don’t see how the PC could play anyway? It is attached firmly at top of the rig by clips and held down by the PC Kit side straps. Running a cummerbund or not with the PC Kit is simply a personal option.November 20, 2016 at 10:44 pm #36957
I had no issues with keeping it snug other than having to move the clips on the back in one more mole ring (in the above picture max has them in the first one) I found I needed to go in one more. To tighten it up. This will all depend on person build. I weigh about 195 +-8 lbs.
I was running the Banshee Plate Carrier – Coyote from AR500 along with AR500 Armor® Patented Lightweight 10” x 12” Level III+ ALSC Body Armor. Boath front and back plates I got them Multi-Curve and PAXCON Line-X Build Up Coat. This is my first time running plates ever so I have nothing to compare them to or know of these plate excessive movement issues.
Once I get one last thing sorted out I will post up some pictures.
I am still working on a hydration options, so can not comment on that yet.November 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm #36989AnonymousInactive
Zeerf looking fwd to your pics and class review.
I am a tactical gear novice, just got my first modern gear last year. Was using my old Alice gear and just didn’t know any better. I have very little interest in gear in general. I normally just rely on a gear whore to tell me what to buy, but I do need a solution to carry more mags but stay modular with flexibility depending on mission.
So, it is possible to add the chest rig to a battle belt system and not have the battle belt suspenders by somehow tying them together? Would I also still be able to use battle belt or chest rig independent as needed?
Could I then add plate carrier, slick, as needed with some minimal adjustment of the chest rig straps?
Am also not sure which chest rig to get, MVT gear of course, but the 3x or the patrol? They look very similar to me.November 21, 2016 at 8:19 pm #36993
I wish I could tell you more to help but will at least post what I had tossed togeather after trying to pull in all the awesome info from this forum.
I will start a different post for my other setup and keep this one specific to the Attachment kit part for now.
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I have the patrol rig. It carries 6 mags and has no built in side pockets under the arms. Just molle webbing. I use this in conjunction with a lite belt which carries 2 mags on it. Add one mag in the rifle and I have 9 mags on me. I like carrying that many. Besides carrying that many mags on my chest means less on my belt and much more comfortable when sitting in a seat.
The 3x carries only 4 mags, but has pockets sewn into the sides under the arms. These were designed to carry the radios the military uses. You can also carry mags in those pockets if you wish but there are no kydex retainers there.
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Since the gear store is down for now, can you recommend a suitable substitute for the ‘PC attach kit’ for use with a Crye JPC? The missus could probably gen something up if we could find clips which mate to the clips on the chest rig…April 4, 2017 at 6:02 pm #43147
Swift clips. You will need to retain the cummerbund on the JPC.
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