June 14, 2017 at 12:25 pm #45525MaxKeymaster
Note: On classes such as the Combat Leader Course, we are using the Assault Cycle and Sequencing, usually with a 12/13 man squad divided into a Command and 3 x Maneuver elements. That will of course work against a limited number of enemy, the actual number depending on the relative capabilities of each force, and the potential for surprise. Know that the assault cycle concept in a 13 man squad has been downsized from the conventional infantry use of such in a 3 x Squad Platoon. Thus, as survivalists with limited numbers, we are working at squad, not platoon level. However, if you train sequencing with 3 elements at team size, it is an easy step to scale that up to elements of larger size, such as if you had a platoon.
But of course, it all comes down to communication, and the avoidance of fratricide.
Shown in this example training video is a double envelopment with the MG in the center of two rifle teams on the flanks.
Note the ‘rolling technique’ shown: graduate level fire and movement, if the ground cover is suitable, is to dash forward ‘I’m up, he sees me, I’m down’ then once you hit the ground, crawl off the the side. The idea is that if the enemy has his sights on you, and sees you go to ground, he may still pump rounds into where he saw you go down. So you pop up to fire in another place.
The issue with a double envelopment with your belt fed in the center is that it will be unable to shift away and fire will be obscured by the advancing flank groups. You can still place the flank groups at right angles to each other, like a classic squad attack, and decide which one is best positioned to do the final assault. You can maneuver this way as part of a hasty attack drill where you maneuver the team under fire off the X using support form your other team(s)/belt fed/designated marksman team, establish a double envelopment, suppress the enemy, and then decide which flank will assault.
So then there is this, pure gold old school. The main changes between rifle / MG group and evenly balanced rifle groups was due to weapon system changes, from the FN (SLR)/ GPMG, to the SA80. You can adapt these drills to using your evenly balanced AR15 teams, plus perhaps the use of a DM team/pair in support:June 15, 2017 at 11:02 am #45569tangoParticipant
What specific methods did the Germans use to control their fires to avoid fratricide while doing pincer maneuvers like that?
Weak Men can't be virtuous. - JBPJune 15, 2017 at 8:32 pm #45580MaxKeymaster
I don’t have the Intel. The second video was an OSS production? It seemed to show both flank elements joining together and the MG moving up in the center. Doesn’t seem quite right.
That was just a portrayal of one way and it seems the MG could be on the flank. If in the middle, it would be more legit to have both flanks approach, and then one go firm while the other assaulted. In that case the center-MG would have nowhere to shift fire to, and would simply cease fire.
Course that makes sense if the drill is onmy designed for a single strongpoint – and squads would more usually work within a platoon framework.June 16, 2017 at 10:00 am #45586hellokittyParticipant
CTT 1502, NODF 1502, CP 1503, RC 002- Rifleman, FoF x 2, Run and Gun, RS/CTT, CLC, CQBC, Heat 1
Craig S.June 16, 2017 at 11:20 am #45587tangoParticipant
The whistle comms plan shown in the German video seemed unimpressive. 1 whistle, 2 whistle, 3 whistle…easy to get confused while combined arms are going off? Especially trying to get the whistle from one flank side to the other?
Would this be better used in a more 3D terrain type where your two flanks can approach from either high or low ground on both sides? Some of the Kurdish hill assault videos are from low ground on multiple sides, and sometimes they do have fire support from an adjacent hill. Spacing is a lot wider than this but similar idea. They close the comms gap with radios.
This maneuver seems like maximum attack mode. No flank or rear security, high risk of friendly fire, maximum aggression, very likely to overwhelm the enemy.
Weak Men can't be virtuous. - JBPJune 18, 2017 at 9:31 am #45617RRSParticipant
A few months ago I read Rommel’s book, it seemed he took particular care to scout then emplace his MGs.
Darned if I can remember that primarily the Italians had any defense in depth or that Rommel scouted out weak spots that gave his men cover to break into a line then push both ways down the line instead of concentrating on depth.
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