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January 5, 2015 at 10:17 pm #13216AnonymousInactive
I been subjected to a lot pf peer presssure by the “cool kids” among the cadre to finally “transition” from 357 magnum revolvers to a magazine fed self loading Pistol.
I have been looking far and wide.
First of all I decided it must be a 9mm.
9mm is (while not as punchy as my .357 magnums) by all accounts an entirely sufficient round AND its one of the cheapest handgun rounds out there.
And I intend to shoot a lot to get good with my Pistol.
So which one to get?
Well, I love the good reputation of the Glocks and have owned a Glock 19 in the past, which I really liked.
But somehow I seem to not be as good with Glocks as with other designs.
The Beretta M9 and its clones are fine Handguns and I was eyeing one of those closely as I am quite decent with the M9, after all its my Army duty issue side arm and i am a guy who likes to stay with what he knows, so I don’t have to retrain.
But the M9 is a full size gun and I already own some wonderful full size guns in the form of my Ruger GP100s, 357 Magnums which are just stellar performers in reliability and accuracy.
So if I engage in open carry with a fullsize handgun either now or during WROL/post-SHTF I already have a very nice GP100 for that adn that is a system I am just as competent with as with the M9.
So we are really looking for a compact so I can use it for concealed carry
But not a sub-compact gun after all it needs to be a competent defensive handgun if I am going to carry on my tac rig.
I had it narrowed down to the S&W M&P 9c.
it feels good in my hand and the military discount when buying it as a program gun is huge.
I cant even buy decent used guns for that price.
So I was kinda settled on that gun but I am an out of the box kinda thinker (aren’t we all who are on this website? ;) )
So I also looked hard at the Canik 55 TP-9 . Its a turkish handgun that can be had for about 300 Bucks online.
It doesnt have the pedigree as the SW does, but when it comes to handguns I am not a prestige guy (remember I been running around with 6 shooters! )
I’m like, wow this gun seems to get only good reviews and costs like a little over 300 bucks, thats even less than an MP9c would cost me with the MIR (tho I hate MIRs I also miss them in the mail!)
So I dig a little deeper, seems there is another off brand gun that seems to be getting good reviews simply everywhere.
Its the second generation of the Taurus T111 called (not very originally) the T111 G2.
Its in 9mm and a just hair smaller than the MP9C but clearly still a Compact not a sub-compact.
Its MSRP is $400 but its on sale at Palmetto State Armory for $199!
Thats right !!
All good + solid reviews too!
No tax if bought from PSA, but add 30 bucks shipping of course add FFL fee so its wash.
So I am thinking, “Wow, for what I would have paid for one MP9C even wiht my crazy military program discount, I could buy two T111 G2’s”!
My local price with tax and military program gun woulda been $430 ish out the door at Quantico tactical + then I would get a MIR of 50 bucks.
And that woulda been a crazy good deal.
So fellas keep in mind to me Revolvers seem to have a soul but mag fed auto pistols are appliances….. I have little need to brag at the range w/ a $800 Sig and I consider the backup handgun a very minute player in conflict and when it comes to hardware my AR15s are premium but my handgun doesnt have to be special…
So…… I just ordered not one but two of them, thats right, two T111 G2’s and the total price comes out to (drumroll please) $434 bucks incl shipping and my FFL has the 2nd firearms FFL fee discounted to 5 bucks. so indluding FFL costs I am looking at approx $460 for 2 guns taxed and delivered
At that price, if I had seen a gun like that used even for 250-280 I would jumped on it, any handgun really!
PSA is known for slow delivery so it can easily take 2 weeks until I have them but I am pretty excited!!!January 5, 2015 at 10:28 pm #13217Mike HParticipant
Great news F…please post a review after testing them out. I actually bought a TP-9 in desert tan for $320 after a deal for a used Glock fell thru. Haven’t got it out and shot it yet…need to as I taking it to WV in Feb.
Again welcome to the mag-fed fraternity
"These are not men, but devils" --Colonel Francisco de Paula-Milan, Mexican Army, Camerone 30 April 1863January 6, 2015 at 12:27 am #13223
Congratulations on such a bargain. Look forward to the Range report.
My experience with Taurus has been positive, their PT92/99 (Beretta style) and revolvers been good weapons. I had a 3″ Taurus 5 shot .44 Special in the late 80’s that was awesome (never should have sold it).
So we are really looking for a compact so I can use it for concealed carry
A lot of factors go into CCW, but I carry a M9 Beretta in a Dale Fricke Archangel AIWB holster like this one.
Even in shorts and T-shirt!
Just for info sake, so people don’t think you have to go small for CCW.January 6, 2015 at 5:03 am #13225
Congrads! I use .357 for hunting. My most fav carry gun is a Taurus Millennium in .45. Has a simply wonderful trigger. They make good kit.January 6, 2015 at 7:02 am #13227
“Two is one and one is none.” Is an oft repeated phrase with more than a hint of truth.
For both “field” and “carry” handguns I have at least one duplicate. For rifles, I have multiples with the same basic operational and mechanical aspects, where supplemental details may vary a bit (eg multiple ARs with the same controls, but with different sights, stocks, etc.).
I think you will be well served by two identical carry handguns. Become one with one of them, then the other, confirm that all magazines function perfectly in both guns, and have a good number of magazines. Anyway that is the recipe I try to implement in such cases.
Good luck, and Keep Your a Powder Dry.
Atlas ShrugJanuary 6, 2015 at 8:28 am #13230AndrewParticipant
I still have the S & W 586, 4″ barrel, I bought and carried when I was in the Border Patrol. Too bad I can barely buckle on the duty leather I used. Both gun and leather are a lot closer to their original shape than I am 30 odd years later.
I like Paras and their magazine capacity these days. Much quicker for me to switch mags these days than fumble with a speed loader.January 6, 2015 at 7:52 pm #13249trailmanParticipant
Can’t fault that. I have a G19Gen4 right now bit I also have a 1980’s vintage PT-99AF that rocks.
CRM, CTT 1501, CP11/15, CTT5/16, FoF, DCH, CLC Opfor, Team Minion
Just remember, Anne Frank was a criminal because the government made her one and she died because she broke the law.January 8, 2015 at 9:11 pm #13308
Awesome! I used to have a first generation Millennium before switching to Glock. Hope they improved the trigger.January 8, 2015 at 9:15 pm #13310AnonymousInactive
I cant wait until they arrive.
PSA is notorious for slow delivery so hopefully my excitement won’t evaporate by then :)January 22, 2015 at 9:40 pm #13587AnonymousInactive
OK both of them arrived.
I am a former Glock 19 owner (loved it but wasnt a big shooter back then) and have used the Beretta 92 quite a bit also. Shot 1911’s and Sigs a bit as well but am really very much a Revolver guy.
Due to recent surgery my dominant eye can no longer focus on Iron sights especially on handguns (far sighted now but see great at distance) so the greater accuracy potential of revolvers is less useful to me now.
So I thought it may be time for me to leverage the greater Mag capacity of a mag fed pistol.
They come in a box packed in these attractive little bags that look like medieval money bags, w/ a dessicant inside.
Same w/ the spare mag (1st mag is in the gun).
Took both guns… put about 150 rds thru each (LOVE the price of 9mm compared to 357 Magnum!).
-They look well made not like 200-240 dollar pistols they are.
-They came with adjustable sights and a sight adjuster tool and a spare each.
-The sights are not quite as nice as I remember from my old Glock but work well enough.
-Also has a “lock” which I dont intend to use.
-Grip is stippled and indents for thumbs are on the grip, gun seems very ergonomic for its size.
-Has a loaded chamber indicator which you can see visually or feel at night, at first I considered this a gimmick …but since I had these 2 guns around the house and on the range, I am now used to it and use it as a aid to evaluate both safety and readiness. Its one of those features if you dont have it you never realize how useful it could be.
-Trigger is smooth, it engages a bit further back then I like,… making it harder for me to use the proper position w/ regard to where the finger meets the trigger so I shoot with a sub optimal position.
This is a problem I do not have w/ my GP100s.
But it seems to me that many compact pistols have that late engagement of the trigger when they have the built-in trigger safety.
But this is the only thing I found on this pistol I feel is sub optimal.
-Was able to make 0.8 inch groups at 7 m (=7 yds) with my very 1st group, right out of the box. As I shot more and fatigue took over (had just worked out earlier) my groups widened to 3.5 inches or so.
Still thats all I ask for from a compact piece.
-Just like I expected from the specs it feels substantial enough to feel that smallness isn’t limiting your accuracy and is small enough I might conceal carry it. I like the ergonomics of it.
– After zero I gave both a good cleaning. Oiled one of them up kinda heavy and cached that one. The other one is by my side as I type this.
PS: Dates on pics not accurate, I included a size comparison w/ my hand. Its an avg size adult male hand.January 22, 2015 at 10:10 pm #13594
So, thinking dual low ride holsters?February 1, 2015 at 10:27 pm #13884AnonymousInactive
Just shot another 100 rds.
No issues.February 1, 2015 at 10:59 pm #13886AnonymousInactive
This makes me sad in my heart. You could have got a beretta and I have holsters laying around! Or a S&W! Taurus?!?! Oh no….February 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm #13887AnonymousInactive
And it works great.
Remember I have caches to stock, they can’t all be 500 dollar gunsFebruary 8, 2015 at 6:38 pm #14057EricParticipant
Do yourself a favor…
sell it before it breaks.
I have a 24/7 oss that I absolutely love. Fits my hands perfectly, great trigger, and the most accurate semi auto pistol I have ever shot.
About 2000 rounds in, it got to where it wouldn’t return to battery. Sent it in, got it back in two weeks. Fifty rounds later, same problem. Sent it back in, last JULY, been waiting to get it back ever since.
They say they have to build a new slide for it, and the parts are made in South America, and there is no way to expedite the process. Whatever. I told them that if I don’t get it back by the end of this month I am going nuclear negative and going on every forum I can find and ripping them a new asshole for their shit service, and crappy firearms.
Sell it before it breaks, or worse, fails when you need to defend yourself.
"I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man"
Thomas JeffersonFebruary 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm #14059AnonymousInactive
I am not too worried about this gun.
Its a different design that the OSS , and its an improved version of an earlier gen PT111 Millenium, so I presume all bugs are shaken out.
Life time warranty and its not out of production like the OSS.
Sorry to hear you have such a poor experience but even if I concede that say its an order of magnitude less reliable than the Smith And Wesson, M&P 9C I would have bought otherwise (and i am not sure thats a fair concession) it’s still 2 orders of magnitude more reliable than the pre-wonder 9 handguns of yore… and people carried those all over… so I expect it to be plenty plenty reliable for my PoU.
Could something break at the worst moment?
yes, but so can a $1000 Handgun.March 5, 2015 at 2:23 pm #14960AnonymousInactive
Still satisfied with this purchase.May 3, 2015 at 5:48 pm #17167AnonymousInactive
Picked up two more when they were back in stock at that price.
Just got done zeroing them.May 4, 2015 at 8:32 am #17179RRSParticipant
Good thinking IMO
Tactical training for Liberty, Fraternity, ExcellenceMay 4, 2015 at 6:14 pm #17191
So I am guessing you will be adding dual shoulder rigs to your dual lowride holsters?
Maybe a Ponco Villa bandoleer?May 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm #17195AnonymousInactive
Its about redundancy :DMay 4, 2015 at 9:38 pm #17197
I think it’s a great idea, wish I had 3 more M9’s, just not quite ready yet.
Still think my last post would make great Avatar for you!
At those prices it makes sense, although you may have to number them like a armory would to keep track of them.May 4, 2015 at 9:43 pm #17198AnonymousInactive
Yeah no kidding.
I was actually kinda worried I had lost one of them last week.
Took me a few days to remember where i put it.May 4, 2015 at 9:43 pm #17199AnonymousInactive
PS: I need a cheap source for PT111 holsters…May 4, 2015 at 10:31 pm #17202
What do you consider cheap?
A cursory web search shows many in the $30 range, I was surprised at the number and variety of Kydex available.
What types of carry?
I figure you need some type of duty type holster for each and maybe a couple for concealed carry.
Thoughts?May 26, 2015 at 10:56 pm #17890AnonymousInactive
Just got a 14 dollar open carry and a 30 dollar concealed carry holster for this gun (reviews coming up)
Wish to update this review.
yesterday took my gun to the range.
It had been uncleaned from last time (approx 100 rds shot thru last time and then left uncleaned). Gun was a bit dry too but I wanted t challenge it.
Shot 200 rds in pretty rapid succession, doing a few updrills ‘n stuff.
Shooting thru it in relatively rapid succession guns the chamber/barrel actually got quite hot.
First time I put a lot of rounds thru this particular one.
It was fun and I found myself getting fast but accurate.
Some college kids next to me were starting to get a bit intimidated I think cuz, they kept looking at me and stepped respectfully out of the way when I had to go to the bench for next box etc.
(Either that or they thought I was a homocidal maniac )
– …getting more and more smooth with this design. That was the point of buying 4 to accomplish skill set standardization, have now put a total of 1000 rds thru all 4 which is not all that much but sufficient I think to consider myself fully proficient.
– the safety flips off real easy with my thumb ideally placed for my hand
– The mag lips seem a bit sharp. I always seem to put some wear on my fingers when I reload these mags a lot in a session.
– Got my first malfunctions with this gun shooting the 124 gr Ammo (which is slightly longer than 115gr)
Not sure if it was related to the 124gr ammo or the dirtiness but when changing a magazine and riding the action forward got failure to feedthe first round of the new magazine on several occasions.
Holding the gun sideway when riding the action forward would make this problem disappear so it was not a big issue.
This started happening once the gun got hot from lots of rapid firing so maybe expansion of the barrel chamber is a contributing issue?
On the other hand this is the 124gr not the 115gr ammo and longer ammo in some other designs tends to make FT feed more likely.
Nothing that bugs me too much since it is so easy to alleviate but I needed to mention it for completeness in this review..
Will try to see if it happens again when the gun is cleaner.
– Just cleaned gun.. was kinda fun/therapeutic to do, it’s now next to me on its permanent spot next to me computer desk nice and clean and a bit oily :)
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