October 23, 2017 at 12:18 pm #52252MaxKeymaster
Various news, developments, class changes and plans for 2018, in no particular order:
Next year we currently only have Texas (February) and the TacGun Challenge (June) on the schedule. I am about to start working on scheduling classes for the first part of 2018, up till June. We are likely to start in March (after Texas) and work through to June. Some of this is related to other news, below, but we are looking at scheduling the following classes for that March – June time period:
- One or two Combat Rifle Skills
- One or two Combat Team Tactics
- Probably one Force on Force team Tactics. This may become a single annual event simply because the more on the class, the better, up to the limit of 28 bolts that we currently have.
- One Combat Patrol / Direct Action
- I am talking to John about the scheduling of CQBC and LRMC.
- We are likely to push CLC to November 2018, and wait till we have sufficient stated interest from alumni on the forum before we put up open enrollment dates at least 3 months before. CLC is also a numbers critical class at 13 students, which also requires advance UTM round purchase.
- I am considering putting a 6 day class in May at the VTC. This would be a 4 day CTT followed by 2 days of Direct Action. This would replace one of the events due in Idaho, because I cancelled the Idaho classes this year. These 6 day events were previous popular with those who wanted to travel for a longer class. Thoughts?
Scheduling is a work in progress. Previously, sometimes we have got weekends right, and sometimes wrong. This has also changed over time: I recall a full Combat Patrol Class on Memorial Day a couple of years ago. Priorities have changed with people as regards to perceived imminence or threat of needing these skills. So I welcome feedback on what weekends are good and bad this spring / summer for these classes. After all, I can schedule all I want, but if a class will not fly on, for example, Fathers Day, then I screwed up the scheduling. So let me know before we start putting things down in the calendar. I await to hear from you! As usual, the forum is the best venue for that.
Civilian Classes – the Future
Blog / forum comment sometimes spurs panic. It is known that MVT has had SOF teams train at the VTC. We plan on doing more of that in the future. That does not mean we will close civilian classes. But for a variety of reasons, we are going to simply schedule less, and have more flexibility in the calendar. SOF tend to come train late summer / fall anyway using funds at close of fiscal year, hence keeping the calendar open at this time. Things will firm up as we go into 2018. This means that classes will be more limited when they are scheduled, and if you want to train, you need to sign up, and not simply wait for the future schedule – incentive to get off your ass and start making moves, rather than prevaricating.
One a related note, there has been chat about the lack of class certificates on recent classes. Simply due to the fact that my printer broke and I have been travelling extensively on mobile classes. Busy times. Certificates will come back. If I owe you one, send me a postage paid certificate sized envelope, as well as an email telling me about it and the class you want one for, and I will produce and mail you one. Or, let me know and physically collect it next time you are at class.
Class changes and prerequisites:
I have previously posted about the new fitness prerequisite. You can read about that HERE. That applies to all classes under the TRAINING > TACTICAL CLASSES tab on the website menu. It does not apply to those under the TRAINING > FIREARMS TRAINING menu.
Classes the fitness prerequisites apply to:
- Combat Team Tactics
- Combat Patrol / Direct Action
- Force on Force Team Tactics
- Combat Leader Course
- Night Firing.
Classes the fitness prerequisites do not apply to:
- Defensive Concealed handgun
- Combat Rifle Skills
- Long Range Marksmanship Course
Combat Team Tactics is going to a full 4 day class in 2018. There will no longer be an optional Rifle Skills Day on the Thursday, but we will run a full Combat Rifle Skills class Thursday / Friday and the Team Tactics tactical range portion Saturday / Sunday.
Combat Rifle Skills classes will still run independently with Scott on Saturday / Sundays as we schedule for 2018. If you do CRS and come back within 6 months, you can jump into a CTT for the Saturday / Sunday tactical range portion only (space dependent). I have also made some specifications for CTT alumni on the updated CTT page, as to what prerequisites apply for returning to the new CTT class. You can read about that on the updated Combat Team Tactics Page. Bottom, line showing up for the full 4 days will benefit you – training is a perishable skill.
- Note: the fitness prerequisite does apply to CRS classes that are part of the 4 day CTT classes. But not to the standalone weekend CRS classes.
Although the fitness prerequisites are self-certifiable, as part of the 4 Day Combat Team Tactics class, there will be a paced terrain walk of approximately a mile, followed by alternating standing lunges, on arrival on the first day of the class. You will carry your kit, minimum 6 loaded magazines, and your unloaded rifle. This will confirm the self-certification and build team at start of class. This will not be a race, but a steady paced terrain walk adapted to the terrain at the VTC to replicate the 15 minute mile pace.
Class Additions? The Intro Tactics / TacMed Class?
The potential of adding a class was discussed this weekend at class with the students. It was raised that many people are interested in this tactical training but for whatever reason do not think they are capable of it. Maybe age, injury or simply not knowing what fitness level is needed. They could simply be intimated, which would be immediately dispelled if they showed up, but of course if they don’t sign up they will never show up.
The idea of adding a single day class that is an introduction to Combat Team Tactics was raised. This class would have no physical fitness prerequisite and would be specifically designed to be achievable by those with low PT levels. It would be a blue barrel / barricade style event entirely on the flat range. Either on the flat range or on flat or downhill portions of the areas / tracks at the VTC. It would cover the curriculum on CTT but have no challenge of terrain or long range runs.
It was also raised that there has been a lot of demand for the not currently offered combat lifesaver class. Potentially we can run a weekend where we offer the Intro to CTT Flat Range class on the Saturday, with a Combat Lifesaver (TacMed) class on the Sunday.
We would also hope that some who underestimated their fitness, or who overestimated the difficulty of the VTC, would be encouraged to meet the (easy) fitness prerequisites and return for a full CTT class.
What are your thoughts?
Feedback and suggestions is appreciated as we move forward with scheduling. Most updates and development are discussed on the MVT Forum, which is $25 per year to keep the quality up and the noise interference down:October 23, 2017 at 1:25 pm #52254RobertParticipant
I think the addition of the new class combined with TC3 will be good. Great intro/get your feet wet type of deal for the YDKWYDK crowd. Maybe even spend 5 minutes at the end of class showing some basic exercises to help people train at home to help with PT issues/getting up and down, etc. The serious ones that want to move forward will go home and work them.
RMP, TC3, NODF, CRCD 6/14, CP 9/14. NODF, Land Nav, 6/15. Rifleman Challenge 9/15- Vanguard. FOFtactics 3/16, 10/16, 11/16, 6/17,11/17 CTT, 6/15, 11/16, , LRMC-1 9/17 GA Mobile CTT and DA 10/16, GA mobile DCH 3/18, HEAT1 3/18 Alum weekend 8/18, Opfor CLC 10/18, DA 11/18 CQBC 12/18, 5/19October 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm #52256wheelseeParticipant
Agree with Robert’s comments on the Intro CTT. Many I talk with see no value in “learning the carbine” (CRS) as they “already know it” (yet, in conversation, its easy to pickup the ignorance). BUT, add “tactics” to anything in the U.S. and you have everyone’s attention (kinda like adding bacon to anything in the south).
I think the Intro to Combat Team Tactics will catch people’s attention/desire, attend, and learn just the tip of the iceberg and come back for more. Maybe even leaving “Intro” off and just calling it Combat Team Tactics I (and the regular class CTT2??). Ford trucks years ago made a huge marketing error in making a heavy ½ton truck but called it a “light Superduty.” Who the heck buys a “light” truck?? Chevy did the same but called theirs “heavy” half-ton. Guess who sold more trucks??
The American psyche wants (in my observations) to do something special/different without putting too much effort into it.
The medical is good as everyone needs it, are probably more likely to use it before actual CTT, and it appeals to “gear heads” and “blood-gore” folks.
Which is heavier - a soldier's pack or a slave's chains? Napoleon
Strength, Honor. Maximus (Gladiator)
If you tolerate evil, you yourself are evil.
Col Hugo Martinez, Commander Search Bloc
William, in The RepublicOctober 23, 2017 at 7:11 pm #52258Mike HParticipant
Just my take…I would put a combat patrol/direct action in front(before) a 4 day CTT in March…..opportunity for your Oct/Nov CTT ’17 students plus other alumni that are “current” to take next step/refresh in the case of repeat alumni….. give people 8 weeks to sign up to gauge interest….still have room for challenge and a possible 6 day in May. Again just a suggestion.
“That’s all what is left?? These aren’t men, they are devils!"
Colonel Milan 30 April 1863 aftermath of the Battle of Camaron
CRCD March '14, CP May '15
CTT Dec. '15, CTT(Idaho) '17October 23, 2017 at 9:18 pm #52264BillyParticipant
Love the prospects of new classes and other things coming up! It’s cool to see that you are evolving the curriculum! Can’t wait to get signed up for some 2018 training!!!October 24, 2017 at 5:41 am #52268pixelmanParticipant
I work for a national delivery company that schedules vacation and PTO at one time of the year.
Basically, we have to submit our time off request in April for the next year from June to the end of May the following year.
By the time the MVT schedule comes out i have already have had to choose my weeks off. Based on my lack of senority, I can only take full Sunday to Saturday weeks off. There is no opportunity to switch weeks off with other personnel and trying to change me weeks off has yet to prove available.
This is the one sticking point in me being able to come to MVT for training. I certainly don’t expect you to make your scheduling a year and a half in advance based on my situation. I suspect I’m just whining about way scheduling works in my particular case. But at this rate, it is up to chance that i will ever get to train at MVT.
Formerly known as Pixelman.
HEAT 1. Apr 2019October 24, 2017 at 6:01 am #52269MaxKeymaster
@pixelman – pretty sure you could have squared away Texas 2018 or preious, based on those rules. No excuses.October 24, 2017 at 2:59 pm #52295grammaParticipant
This is sounding really good Max. You even got my attention on the more advanced classes. Now to see if I can (in the absolute privacy of ye olde living room and outside) meet your PT criteria. The flexible part and balance aren’t as much an issue for me as stamina and strength.
ETA: I’m very interested in the medical classes too.October 24, 2017 at 7:06 pm #52310PolynikesParticipant
A CTT class in March sounds great (either the weekend of March 10th or 24th to be exact – or even early April) to get the year started on a solid note. I’ve been talking to a few friends here and we would pull the trigger as soon as you finalized a CTT class on either weekend. 2 of these guys already bought into your Alumni offer last year (i.e. they paid for a future class). CQBC sometime in the spring would also be at the top of my list.
I’m really excited to see how the class schedule pans out. I had a rough year with lower back issues (and I’m finally back to almost 100%) so I’m planning for visit MVT quite a bit in 2018.
Thanks for your transparency on the 2018 planning.
George G. (the Greek) from PAOctober 26, 2017 at 11:21 am #52350StriderParticipant
I think the addition of the “Flat CTT/TC3” class is a really good idea. It allows people to come into a no-pressure class and see just how achievable these goals are.
I think the best benefit of such a class is that it would serve as an ideal intro for people that are planning on being the “reserve force” of a tribe/clan/”retreat.” In your MVT code of conduct, you have the following:
This is the vital role of the woman in the family unit. Support the man, and nurture the children so that they may grow to their full potential as responsible adults. You are also the future ancestor, and the example of the strong family will be carried forward by your children. Typically, the mother will remain as the inner defense should the perimeter be breached, and must be able to fight and defend. No excuses.”
The Square CTT/TC3 would be an ideal starter for someone looking to fill this role. Of course it wouldn’t be enough on its own, but it breaks the ice for ladies who don’t feel like G.I. Jane but want to begin training anyway.
"He is not a 'happy medium' or compromise between meekness and ferocity; he is fierce to the 'nth, and he is meek to the 'nth" ~C. S. LewisNovember 11, 2017 at 8:41 am #52921pixelmanParticipant
I was set to sign up for one of the Texas 2018 classes with a couple of my extra days, but my injury (torn meniscus) recovery ate all my remaining PTO, per company policy.
I was really bummed about it all, but it was unavoidable.
Didn’t mention it earlier as i didn’t want to whine too much.
Formerly known as Pixelman.
HEAT 1. Apr 2019
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