March 31, 2015 at 3:29 pm #15907
I have been talking to Diz and Hawkeye from UW Gear for a long while now, discussing various ways to design gear in line with both of our philosophies. I have most recently been settling on using a light battlebelt, which is comfortable enough to wear most of the time, augmented by a chest rig. I feel that this is the most practical application across operational environments; it works well for both dismounted operations, vehicle operations, and with or without armor.
UW Gear make some great chest rigs. In discussions with them, I found that I wanted to carry more magazines. I had been using a chest rig from another company, which was very well made, but there were two disadvantages: 1) it only held 4 x 5.56 magazines and 2) it had velcro on the admin pouches. When you are on patrol, and you want to silently get that piece of gear out of your chest rig, the load sound of velcro is not cool. UW Gear make some great tuck tabs which they use on their admin pouches, and normally on their magazine pouches.
More recently, if you have been following the discussion on the Citizen Unconventional Tactical Team (CUTT), you will know that I want to ability to carry .308 magazines.
So the guys at UW Gear jumped all over this. Today in the mail I received a new design of chest rig. Diz didn’t take photos before he shipped it to me, so I have quickly taken some photos. I aim to do an actual GoPro review on this as follow up, but I wanted to get the photos out there.
THIS RIG IS EXCELLENT
he concept is that I wanted a rig capable of carrying a good amount of .308 or 5.56 magazines (more than 4). I wanted admin pouches on the front of the rig, secured by the tuck tab, not velcro. I was not interested in big pouches under the arms, or too much MOLLE 0 I just like the pouches to be designed into the rig.
Diz created a rig with a removable magazine insert. Shown the photos is the .308 insert which will take 5 x 20 or 25 round .308 magazines. Instead of the tuck tab, elastic is used on open topped magazine pouches, which is optional to use for speed of access, so that different magazine lengths can be accommodated.
The rig will also take a 5.56 insert that will take 6 x 30 round 5.56 magazines. With both inserts, you have the option of running.308 or 5.56. Perfect. (I’m sure he will also be persuaded to do an 7.62 x 39 optional insert also…..)
There is also central elastic that can be used for a TQ, accessible by either hand. Behind the magazine pouches there is also an admin pouch where map type items can be stored. .
Below: new rig, empty:
Below: Rig with .308 magazine insert removed.
Below: loaded rig.
In the rig in the photo are:
5 x 25 round .308 magazines
SOFT-W Tourniquet front center
FLIR Scout (silently accessible) – 1 admin pouch
Emergency ration bars – 1 admin pouch
Batteries, lighter, water purification straw, water purification tabs – 1 admin pouch.
Smoke – room for more in that pouch.
There is also an orienteering compass and whistle in the rear admin pouch, and a pen flare launcher in some loops between the pouches (yellow non-tactical color!)
This is an excellent piece of gear, not too bulky or lending itself to too much gear. It’s just right. Tremendous. I will do a video review as soon as I can.
I am hoping they will let me call it the MVT CUTT rig, or something like that, but that is up to them…;-)
Let’s see if Diz can be persuaded to put these up on the UW Gear website for sale.
MaxMarch 31, 2015 at 3:46 pm #15910
Hey lookin’ good Max. Name sounds good to me. 5.56 insert will be inbound your pos soon, along with a hydro bladder pouch to balance it out in training, when a pack is not required.
I punched out the sizes on the admin pouches a bit, looks like that makes sense to you as well. I was thinking about a 3x magnifier and mount, or other rifle accessories, like lights or lasers that you might want easy access to, but not want the weight on the rail all the time. I think I will add a separate “map” pocket on the rear, just so you can get map/TAM n stuff in and out easier.
It might be awhile before Hawkeye gets caught up with current orders and can take this new design on. If you’re interested, let me know directly, by PM here. I may be able to do a few custom rigs for you guys until we can work in a production run.
Max let me know if any of the other instructors/cadre want one of these.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanMarch 31, 2015 at 4:28 pm #15914AndrewParticipant
For what it’s worth, that’s a great piece of kit in my opinion. Great concept and outstanding implementation.
I still use Vietnam vintage LBE and am looking for something like that to carry extra mags. Just too hot down here most of the year for a plate carrier.
I hope you guys make a fortune.March 31, 2015 at 4:37 pm #15916D CloseModerator
Having just received my long awaited Minuteman III in Multicam, I will add to the accolades. I will post a review soon. It fits well with the citizen tactical concept, is light and highly functional. Nice work! I wish you guys the best with the new model. As Diz mentions, there is a bit of a backlog. Be patient, gear fanatics! It is worth the wait.
The only easy day was yesterdayMarch 31, 2015 at 5:28 pm #15919Joe (G.W.N.S.)Moderator
The craftsmanship looks great when looking at the fullsize photos.
Quality consistent stitching, nice work!
From Diz’s Thread “MVT 7.62/.308 Rig.”
Now for some more details. This rig is an open-top design, so it can adapt to different calibers and length of mags. The inserts have loops for shock cord pull tabs. They also have a fuzzy velcro lining, so you have a couple of options. If you want to leave the pull tabs off, you can put a 1″ square of hook Velcro on your mags (adhesive backed or glue it yourself). You may recall the original Lightfighter “Warhammer” had this feature, which was reportedly jumped with no issues. Or, you can add a kydex insert, which will mate to the Velcro in the insert, to give you a nice “spring clip” with just enough tension to hold the mag in while maneuvering, but allow for quick removal.
The front features 4 utility pouches, and several web slots for a TQ (centerline), and chemlites/whatever on the sides of the outboard pouches and the base itself. The two outboard pouches are for a bleeder kit (and spare TQ)), and small team radio, but obviously you can put whatever you want in them for training and such. The two inside pouches are smaller and for additional stuff like energy bars/gels, compass, red/green lens light, leatherman, oil bottle, etc. Also “map” pocket on back for topo, notebook/TAM, pen etc.
(I found above helpful when examining photos in addition to Max’s comments)
Diz do you foresee any issues with drainage for those of us involved “Wetter” environments?
I love the idea of “Inserts” and the webbing on outboard admin pouches!
It’s difficult to come up with new ideas in today’s gear, outstanding concept.March 31, 2015 at 7:11 pm #15929
All the admin pouches have a drain grommet. On the next rigs, I was thinking of adding one or two to the base rig for mag pouch drainage. The insert bottom is open so no worries.
Yeah as Max said, I will make 5.56, 7.62 NATO, and 7.62 AK, no sweat. Although if you have a Barrett, let me know. I’d love to make one for that sucker.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanMarch 31, 2015 at 8:14 pm #15935JustARandomGuyParticipant
I’m very interested to see how the water bladder integrates into this.
Are all the pouches approx. 2x MOLLE spaces wide? Or a little wider perhaps?
Trying to get a read on the size compared to some other gear I already have.
Also, are the front pouches sewn on, or attached with MOLLE?
I’m assuming sewn since the center TQ strap MOLLE seems to be a standalone piece.
Will there eventually be an option for a kydex magazine insert?
I think this was mentioned in the previous thread?
Also, please check your PMs when you get a chance.
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~TantoMarch 31, 2015 at 8:42 pm #15940shooterParticipant
Oooohhh Diiiiiz…. I sent you an email. I want an MVT .308 rig.
We are all victims of our perspective.March 31, 2015 at 9:31 pm #15943AnonymousInactive
Any plans to make this mountable to a plate carrier like the Mayflower rigs?March 31, 2015 at 10:22 pm #15948Joe (G.W.N.S.)ModeratorApril 1, 2015 at 7:32 am #15958
Yeah the bladder pouch will use (slotted) SR buckles on top, which rig into the webbing slots on the harness, the bottom will just interface with the waist strap.
The nice thing about having an insert is the pouches don’t have to be set at molle intervals. I made the pouches 3 1/4″ wide, so they’re actually a little wider than two molle slots. There is a 3″/ 2 molle slot in the middle for a TQ, or you could add a 2-mag or utility pouch there, depending on your SOP. The slots on the sides of the outboard utility pouches are 1 1/4″, so they’re not really molle, more for TQ’s or chem lites. The slots on the outside of the base rig are molle, and will take small one-slot pouches, like single mag or utility. If there is interest, these COULD be expanded, on a custom basis.
Yes, the pouches are direct sewn, with drain grommets, and silent closure tuck tabs.
Yes. I am working on a kydex insert as we speak. That will be an add on extra if you desire.
I am also considering an insert with top flaps and tuck tabs, if there’s interest in that.
And I will add some kind of shock cord strap to the outboard pouches if you guys want to tuck the flap and run a team radio.
I CAN make it plate carrier mountable if that what’s your team wants. But be advised you will have to live with SR buckles there. The reason I went with reverse rigged triglides, was to stay low profile, so there’s no hardware to interfere with mounting your weapon, or getting a mag.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanApril 1, 2015 at 9:00 am #15964AnonymousInactive
Hey Diz, where do you envisage a set of binos fitting in with this chest rig?April 1, 2015 at 9:46 am #15969
Hmmmm. Probably not in this config. But perhaps a recce version later?
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanApril 1, 2015 at 10:10 am #15971
There is a tendency for random ‘squirrel moments’ here…canteen pouches, bino pouches etc as examples. There has to be standardization of this rig, which you have mostly seen. There can be options, such as inserts for caliber etc. But it mostly it is what it is. It’s freaking awesome!
In response to some of the randoms I have seen:
No, canteens are not normally accommodated on a chest rig. Unless you want the rig to get out of hand. Carry them on a belt, bladder or in a patrol pack (you will be wearing a patrol pack, right?)
Small foldable binos will fit in one of the admin pouches. Larger binos will not fit in a pack. Carry them in your patrol pack for when you get to the overwatch, or to have them at hand hang them on your neck and maybe tuck them behind the rig. You have an optic on your rifle right, magnified? I have a x 4 ACOG on both my AR15 and AR308, for patrol scanning.
The MVT CUTT rig is pretty much what you see here, with some possible minor adjustments and options that Diz may want to offer. Let’s keep out of the rabbit holes please, it’s not a come as you are “I want this random pouch ” affair.April 1, 2015 at 10:11 am #15972ffhounddogParticipant
Fudge….okay take my money.
Support Side. Not flattering but better than weak side.April 1, 2015 at 4:59 pm #15988
There it is guys. It’s not that I can’t do some minor tweaks here and there, but realistically I try to listen to guys who know what they’re talking about. Max has a very clear idea on what he wants and we’ve made a prototype he is testing. This should tell you a few things.
First of all, here is a guy who has actually done the deployments, both as a Para, and as a contractor. When he specifies something it’s for a very good reason, namely it’s what someone who has actually been there and done that, has found to work. That in and of itself should tell you what you something.
I myself have done several deployments, although much earlier than the GWOT, but in a triple canopy environment that strangely enough resembles the terrain a guerilla may have to fight in. I too have worn this shit for extended periods of time.
All I can say is try out things like canteens on an inexpensive chest rig first and decide for yourself if that’s what you really want. After a week in the bush, you may think differently!
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanApril 1, 2015 at 6:05 pm #15991Mike HParticipant
Diz, I would like one of these in French CCE Camo with detachable wine & cheese pouches.
CCE is my pattern in my AO, but if unavailable woodland will work. Interested in both .308 & 5.56 inserts. The .308 mags are alloy G3 ones. The setup you made for Max will work for me……I want my FLIR off my waist and mags easier to access. Ready to commit to have one built.
"These are not men, but devils" --Colonel Francisco de Paula-Milan, Mexican Army, Camerone 30 April 1863April 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm #15995AnonymousInactive
I want my FLIR off my waist
I don’t yet own a FLIR but wouldn’t having it on your chest subject it to more abuse than on the belt? There’s an awful lot of slamming down on your chest when you’re doing a contact drill. Maybe they’re robust enough for that. Don’t know.April 2, 2015 at 7:41 am #16006Mike HParticipant
Bear I’ve been messing around with my BBelt config and wanted to add a dump pouch in the position where FLIR was. Have some pouches on order from TT; putting together an admin chest platform incorporated into my belt harness. Had issues getting to that pouch and handling the device in the field.
"These are not men, but devils" --Colonel Francisco de Paula-Milan, Mexican Army, Camerone 30 April 1863April 2, 2015 at 8:28 am #16007
I carry my FLIR Scout in an outer pouch on my MVT CUTT rig. I carry it left side so I can access it to scan when stopped. Diz and I are currently making sure that the outer pouches are the right size for the FLIR scout, with some adjustments to the prototype – it fits but it’s tight on that first rig.April 2, 2015 at 1:28 pm #16016
There is a trade off between access and security sometimes, but in this case, the outer utility pouches are actually tucked off to the side of you pec; not really underneath you when you plop down. You’re looking at the rig flat instead of curved around a person.
I am doing an updated prototype for Max as we speak. Once he gets that and we finalize the rig, we’ll start ramping up for production. Stay tuned!
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanApril 3, 2015 at 7:02 pm #16083AnonymousInactive
but in this case, the outer utility pouches are actually tucked off to the side of you pec; not really underneath you when you plop down. You’re looking at the rig flat instead of curved around a person.
Makes sense.April 7, 2015 at 4:48 pm #16222
Ok update time. Made a few minor tweaks per Max’s suggestions. The outboard utilities are now 6″ long, for larger kit, like FLIR scopes. The map pocket is now easier to get notebook, TAM, etc. in and out of. And a small pouch is now on the back for an orienteering styles compass. This gives you the option of having a handy slot for it, when you’re wearing a jacket or combat shirt without any breast pockets. When doing land nav this is one item you need frequent reference to, so if you don’t have a usable jacket pocket, this pouch will definitely come in handy. We won’t be using fancy wrist-mounted GPS units.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanApril 26, 2015 at 2:19 pm #16882
Is there any idea when this will become available on your website? I was thinking about ordering the Minuteman one but if this is coming out soon Id probably wait.July 2, 2015 at 4:46 pm #18900WeberParticipant
Any word on availability yet?
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