May 14, 2014 at 11:20 pm #5188
Just some interesting reading.
Might be of use.
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A couple more.
Secrets of Lock Picking
MIT Guide to Lock Picking
Remember to check your local laws before playing locksmith.
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Remember Youtube is your friend for many traditional skills.May 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm #17681
This is a topic that is easy to forget it’s importance.
Recently JimmyGibbs Posted a Thread Trident Missles Unprotected so I thought I would add some videos about the Navy’s Red Cell program. These consist of a Documentary and a Mike Wallace News story.
Red Cell was a 14-man team composed of 13 former members of SEAL Team Six and one Force Recon Marine. The unit was also known as OP-O6D which had been organized to attempt to infiltrate and otherwise test the security of U.S. military bases and other installations sensitive to U.S. security interests.
There are certainly a few tidbits of information to be gleaned from above.
Few things are truly secure.March 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm #25084
Worth a look again, many skills are needed post event.May 14, 2017 at 7:12 pm #44531
Yearly bump, information for new members.May 15, 2017 at 8:28 am #44534RobertParticipant
I think some have the idea that lockpicking is some taboo, only for criminals type of skill. It isn’t.
Before I moved to my place, I remember looking at BO routes all the time while driving up on the weekends to work on the place. Man those utility lines, they ran forever and seemed to parallel where I needed to go. No one out there and the ground fairly well compacted.
But alas, there was that gate and lock. Cut the lock? Sure, but you better have another one to replace it. Or pick the lock, drive in and re-lock the gate. Thereby keeping countless others from following you down the same path.
A very practice E and E skill. Unfortunately it’s not as easy as it looks!
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A very practice E and E skill. Unfortunately it’s not as easy as it looks!
A learned skill like any other. This can be self taught and practiced while sitting at home. Tools purchased or made.May 15, 2017 at 12:19 pm #44538rhino11Participant
An easier alternative is to carry bolt cutters and several keyed-alike padlocks. Instead of cutting the existing lock, cut a link of the chain and add your lock. That way you will likely keep future access without denying the utility company or land owner their legitimate access.May 15, 2017 at 4:18 pm #44544
Don’t get too wrapped up in the lock picking aspect.
Bump keys, shims, etc… there are many ways to defeat locks and there is much more to Physical Penetration Attacks than locks.
Additionally a healthy knowledge of how to get past security measures helps you prevent your security being defeated.
There are many applications of this knowledge both “Pre-Event” and “Post-Event!”May 16, 2017 at 5:41 pm #44574tangoParticipant
On average, how much time does it take to pick a lock? I knoww it depends, but a rough idea please.
Weak Men can't be virtuous. - JBPMay 16, 2017 at 5:55 pm #44576SeanTModerator
I have seen it in seconds, shimming a cheap padlock in a minute or so up to ‘go get the torch” after day 3
watch out in your jurisdiction, some laws call lockpicks burglary tools and will bust you. Yada yada…May 16, 2017 at 6:36 pm #44579
Tango, SeanT has got it right.
A skilled person can open an average lock type in under a minute.
There are many different types of locking mechanisms for different security requirements. Which is one of the reasons this type of knowledge will most likely lead to you changing your locks.
Ignorance is bliss, fortunately there are few really skilled thief’s that would waste their time on the average Forum member.
Here are some interesting facts:
UL LABEL – BURGLARY CLASSIFICATION TL-15
Signifies a combination-locked safe designed to offer a limited degree of protection against attack by common mechanical and electrical hand tools and any combination of these means.
UL listed Group II, 1 or 1R combination lock (even the locks are tested and rated by UL).
750 lbs. minimum or comes with instructions for anchoring in a larger safe, concrete blocks or on the premises where used.
Body walls of material equivalent to at least 1″ open hearth steel with a minimum tensile strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
Walls fastened in a manner equivalent to continuous 1/4″ penetration weld of open hearth steel with minimum tensile strength of 50,000 P.S.I.
One hole 1/4″ or less, to accommodate electrical conductors arranged to have no direct view of the door or locking mechanism.
Successfully resist entry for a net working time of 15 minutes when attacked with common hand tools, picking tools, mechanical or portable electric tools, grinding points, carbide drills and pressure applying devices or mechanisms.
UL LABEL – BURGLARLY CLASSIFICATION TL-30
Signifies a combination-locked safe designed to offer a moderate degree of protection against attack by common mechanical and electrical hand tools and any combination of these means.
Same as TL-15
Successfully resist entry for a net working time of 30 minutes when attacked with common hand tools, picking tools, mechanical or portable electric tools, grinding points, carbide drills and pressure applying devices or mechanisms, abrasive cutting wheels and power saws.
More than likely most peoples “safes” will not exceed above. Many “Gun Safes” can be “opened” in less than one minute.
The US government purchases many forms of such equipment at ridiculous prices.
One newer cipher lock if you tapped it with a rubber mallet while turning door handle opened right up.
One Electronic cipher lock initially thought to be impervious to covert bypass only required a paper clip to short it into opening.
These were all high end solutions beyond most of our means.September 5, 2017 at 9:10 pm #50221
Here is a quick practical application to this Thread.
I had the opportunity to help out a neighbor today, they got locked out of their running van. Gave me a call grabbed my kit similar to this one.
Arrived on scene and had vehicle open within 3 minutes, I am out of practice.
One grateful neighbor and some more goodwill within my community.September 5, 2017 at 9:29 pm #50223zeerfParticipant
Nice work Joe! Good looking kit also… most times I ended up using an old wire coat hanger but many newer cars that is becoming less of an option.
September 5, 2017 at 11:28 pm #50228
I just realized I haven’t mentioned “jigglers” so here is a picture of a jiggler set.
Here is a quick video demonstrating use.October 3, 2017 at 7:14 am #51413Scott GParticipant
I admit that in the 90s I enjoyed read the Marchinko books. One of the things he mentioned in Red Cell (this is pre-CAC) was holding your finger over the picture on the ID when entering a base. I figured WTF and gave it a try. I got onto Ft Belvoir with my finger over the picture. It was my ID, so if questioned there was no problem.
I ran into him in a Tractor Supply Co. store in Warrenton, VA a few years ago right before Christmas. He looked like crap! The man is getting OLD!
I had thought about taking a locksmith course to get the training, legitimately own the tools, and heck, maybe make money on weekends when people get locked out of their cars and stuff!
Northern VA Area
CRCD #1 AlumnusOctober 3, 2017 at 1:14 pm #51420October 3, 2017 at 2:57 pm #51426Scott GParticipant
He did do some good stuff. We actually used some of his methods testing preparedness when I was part of a facility emergency preparedness team in the mid-2000s.
Yeah, I hope I age better. He had those old people bruises and need to trim the eyebrows, nose hairs and ear hairs. It must take a lot of make-up to get him camera ready these days!
He was incredibly nice when I talked to him at the store. he was buying pink camo stuff for his wife and daughter for Christmas. I remember his truck was pretty beat up, too.
Northern VA Area
CRCD #1 AlumnusOctober 5, 2017 at 4:01 pm #51559fabioParticipant
I’ve been dabbling with picking for a few months. I haven’t devoted much time but cabinets residential kwiksets are fodder.
Like most skills, part of it is simply having the right tool for the job. Cabinet and other similar locks are best picked with what is called a snake rake or double rake. Kwikset are fastest what is known as a city rake pick.
One of the best youtube sources is BosnianBill. I’ve watched dozens of his videos. Putting some pieces together, he is former Army? EOD and now works for an alphabet agency. Come to think of it, I’ve had some email exchanges with him. I’ll revisit those and see if he’s interested in some FOF.
Another good youtube source is LockPickingLawyer. Both Bill and LPL pick and do destructive testing. They have hundreds of videos each. I will post links from my phone because this work computer doesn’t stream well.October 6, 2017 at 2:54 pm #51629fabioParticipant
July 8, 2018 at 6:52 pm #59981
Time for another look.
Skills are perishable, use them or loose them.July 8, 2018 at 10:35 pm #59984FreedomOakParticipant
I have a large selection of picks and a few locks of various strength (if anyone wants to drink a pint and pick locks let me know). I have problems with certain tubular locks, I watch how it is done but cannot replicate on my own. Everyone check out https://www.youtube.com/user/bosnianbill and the lock picking lawyer when you have some time, eye opening stuff. Just throw away or replace as picking spares all your Master locks and never let friends use Master locks. Abloy FTW.
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