May 21, 2017 at 4:05 pm #44705AndrewParticipantMay 21, 2017 at 5:08 pm #44709
We must remember that at this point this concept is in a “fleshing out” stage, an attempt to look at alternatives to the current path we find ourselves in the pursuit of liberty.
Can we come up with any alternative plans worth considering?
It certainly isn’t a one size fits all approach and only a small percentage would this apply for a variety of reasons.
The problems facing the “pirate colony” concept are vast.
One thing I would like to stress is the whole “Pyrate Theme” if I understand Max correctly, was how these people governed themselves. Not their chosen employment.
Going up against the Zetas or Sinaloa cartels without active government aid is not for the faint of heart.
True, but potentially profitable in the sense of support by elements within Government and the potential for capture of large sums of cash available from them.
If your colony is labeled as aiding the DTOs you are now a USG target.
Under no circumstances would I be part of any operation in support/alliance of DTO’s.
…a new airstrip…
No need for new airstrips as there are an incredible number of remote strips available, most unoccupied as the DTO’s randomly rotate there use, but the point of being noticed is valid.
I agree the “by sea” is the way to go.
To my mind, the key is security. Sustainment of that footprint, no matter how small, requires resources in intel and material.
I would think a more decentralized mobile footprint would be superior until things became established in something like the Guatemala example.
Maybe the East India Trading Company needs to be reestablished to support this? Something like that will be needed as cover and a conduit for the resources necessary to establish a presence.
I was thinking of some sort of variation of Costa Rican Free Trade Zones for this purpose.
Costa Rica has a variety of free zones actively recruiting economic development and finding one that suits your business needs will ultimately exempt you from the following tax charges: import tax, export tax, transfer taxes for a ten year duration and sales tax. Obviously, this can translate into significant saving for your business and researching Costa Rica as a possibility is one way to pursue that option.
Additionally, some free zones, depending on the local municipality and its version of the free zone, will give you relief on income taxes over a period of time and for a particular amount. The exact amounts vary from free zone to free zone. However, you must keep in mind that the goods being handled or manufactured must ultimately be exported. This is a key aspect of Costa Rican free zones and one to keep in mind when exploring the possibility.
In fact, much of the economic resurgence of Costa Rica can be traced back to foreign investment in trade zone business development, much of it coming from the United States. One example of such a company is Dole which processes bananas on the island for export, enjoying tax benefits while still employing local workers and benefiting the Costa Rican economy.
Further, Dole and other companies currently operating in Free Zones on Costa Rica enjoy a complete exemption from taxation on organizational assets, an exemption from taxes on company profits, the ability to use foreign currency of their choosing in business dealings all significant benefits and reasons that Dole and other companies have invested heavily in Costa Rica over time.
Using Costa Rican example as part of the salesmanship to whatever area was selected.
Another thought I had after reading Joe’s info on Guatemala was potential interest/ collaboration with USG.
We will see what things look like as time goes on, having some vetted ideas ready if such becomes possible.
‘OMLETTE’S.’ Operational liaison and mentor teams.
Definitely potential for this.
This is similar to the US SF model, but done a lot better by Britmil in Helmand.
I am not aware of how much has changed since I left Afghanistan, but the US had really lost it’s way in this type of role. The relative youth of the SOF buildup reduced the maturity and patience required for this to be effectively done by US Forces, just not enough senior mentors IMHO.
…note the dysfunction/ disrepect to the ANA.
No doubt from my point of view and a sad state of affairs.
Speaking of the indigenous populations, there are viewed as the absolute bottom of the social ladder. The rank with the “untouchables” of India.
Winning their support; consider the Montagnards in Vietnam, could be mutually beneficial.
…Everything I have read on the country would lead me to believe it would be the best bet of setting up a Liberty Community…There are already Expat Community’s set up in certain areas that are thriving…Just a thought…
This is certainly an option and many have already gone that route. The goals seem to be more about surviving/avoiding a collapse, vice carving out a Liberty zone.
Question does there have to be something to exploit for a Liberty Community to be set up or could you do it with cooperation from the indigenous peoples?
I suspect the difference is with a stable Panama it would take considerably more time to not be seen as outsiders, while in the forced constraints of brining stability to an area it would reduce that time to be excepted IMHO.May 21, 2017 at 5:26 pm #44710LinemanParticipant
On the not being seen as outsiders I’ve talked to a few people in that area I linked and they all seem to be liked in the area…I think they do quite a bit of outreach though so they are seen as good guys that want to help instead of take over…The tax issue in Panama seemed similar to that of Costa Rica also so thats always a plus…I like this way of thinking thoughMay 21, 2017 at 6:11 pm #44711
On the not being seen as outsiders
As you know this isn’t just for overseas, I wouldn’t want to be the brand new guy in the rural US if an “Event” happens.
The key to most places is assimilating to local norms, to bring the cause of Liberty with you is one thing, but to try to force “this is how we did back home” is another.
Extended family is usually much more important in many countries such as Latin America and the Philippines for instance. You make friends and soon your almost part of their family and people come out of nowhere in your local travels. I mention the Philippines and now Honduras as places I have experienced this in person, far more than most other countries I’ve been.
…so they are seen as good guys that want to help instead…
Very important, this is why the countries I’ve consider as options mainly using Retirement Resident Visa options are where I already have extensive contacts and local knowledge. Combined with the fact we increase economic growth with increased spending helps with acceptance.
This type of thing factors into this “vacuum concept” that in order to work well requires bringing improvements to the local area, not just seizing control.May 21, 2017 at 7:38 pm #44715egglestonParticipant
The Virginia Company operated in a vacuum of sorts . Strong leaders such as John Smith and Thomas Dale lead the settlement through very difficult times . Only harsh military discipline and order saved the colony from failure . Supply chain,local relations, internal political struggles,exploitation of resources make a interesting study for future Liberty region.
study for future Liberty Region .May 21, 2017 at 8:16 pm #44716AndrewParticipant
Idle thought. Why couldn’t this be done here, why go foreign?May 21, 2017 at 8:39 pm #44718LinemanParticipant
Oh that was suggested a while ago and got shot downMay 21, 2017 at 8:41 pm #44719
Why couldn’t this be done here, why go foreign?
The most general thought is that until a collapse type “Event” happens the current Government is unfixable, won’t stand for competition, and most are unwilling to start a insurgency here.
The closest parallel that I can think of would be the purchase of a small incorporated town (comes up occasionally) or incorporation of an unincorporated community.
Here is another thought regarding Incorporation of Unincorporated Communities.
When an unincorporated area incorporates to form a municipality, the new municipality essentially withdraws from certain elements of the county taxing unit and; with some exceptions, becomes responsible for providing its own municipal government and many of its own municipal services, including code enforcement, garbage collection, street cleaning, landscaping, fire and police protection.
Decision making authority likewise shifts to the municipality, authorizing the governing municipal body to exercise those powers delegated by and implied from its municipal charter.
Incorporation localizes control of a community, making the municipal government directly and exclusively accountable to local residents.
It can also lower taxes of “donor communities” that under the county taxing system contribute more in taxes than they receive in services.
Sparked largely by a desire to retain a greater percentage of
scarce tax revenues, many communities are pursuing the prospect of municipal incorporation.
So the much of the taxes currently going to the County would now stay within the incorporated community.
Note: This is happening in Florida and is representative to Florida laws and statues. Those living in other States would need to research their options.
I ask that any thorough pursuit of “incorporation” be moved to a new Thread or linked Thread,May 21, 2017 at 8:59 pm #44722
Oh that was suggested a while ago and got shot down
As you know there are various local US attempts underway with limited to varying degrees of success at gathering like minded people together.
The Free State Project (FSP) was/is a state effort to achieve this, but they bit off more than they can chew by choosing NH vice say WY. Though they have had small successes here and there I don’t expect much to ever come of it. New Hampshire had far too big a population and is far too Liberal or Socialist as I would call it.
Remember this “vacuum concept” is one of many possibilities in the pursuit of Liberty and as stated not a one size fits all solution, which frankly doesn’t exist.
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