March 29, 2014 at 10:56 am #1885AnonymousInactive
Have at it..Post what you have..
Use pics if you can.
BergmanMarch 29, 2014 at 12:31 pm #1893
I just so happen to have pulled my ruck and backpacking kit out and am in the process of swapping over from winter load to spring/summer load. When I get it done tonight I’ll be sure to post up pics and contents.March 29, 2014 at 5:50 pm #1917
Living in Socal in the city I don’t have a go-to-war ruck. Really its just a bug-out bag but I think it could be adapted very quickly. My wife has her own considerably smaller with her necessities while I carry some of her stuff. Also note my second line gear is really just a pouch. Not a whole lot you can do with a bolt action .30-06. As such, the mentality is avoid the fight altogether if we ever have to scoot to link up with family.
Top Left: Redundant survival gear/niceties in sack. Cheap knife, fire starter, cheap light, cheap emergency poncho, Field Notes and pencil.
Top Right: E-tool, 100 ft. paracord, 3L water, tan BDU pants and brown t-shirt in red sack, 3 pairs of socks and a pair of boxers in blue sack.
Bottom Right: Thermal, face towel.
Bottom Center: S&W knife with sharpening stone, 20 rounds of .30-06 in belt pouch along with lensatic compass, lighter, and water purification, additional 40 rounds of .30-06 and indoor/outdoor ear plugs.
Bottom Left: Toothbrush, deodorant, wife’s allergy medicine, TP, 16 ounces of denatured alcohol for the penny stove.
You can see the face towel gets shoved into the utility cup to keep the penny stove from jiggling around inside.
Additionally there are two surplus patrol sleeping bags and a cheap tarp in the sleep system carrier as well as 8 knockoff MREs in the sustainment pouches. The S&W knife, ammunition, and belt pouch are stored in the front claymore pouch and the idea is for those to be readily accessible to be put on whenever its go time. Attached to the claymore pouch is an IFAK with the usual CAT, Celox, NPA, IBD, 14GA Catheter, etc. along with a minor trauma module in the back.
About 45 pounds if I remember correctly. I’ll post the patrol pack I use as a GHB later. Remember, don’t hate.March 29, 2014 at 8:58 pm #1928
Just got done packing my Patrol bag. 20.45 Lbs with ammo, no water. It’s a MARPAT Milsurp 3 day pack. Kinda heavy, but it’s reliable as a rock and super heavy duty. MARPAT camo works pretty well too. It attaches to the outside of my ILBE so that’s a plus. I’ll drop some weight out of it if I do so and pack it in the Ruck.
100oz Camelbak Water beast
4 loaded Pmags
Map and waterproof carrier
Blackhawk Tatang in custom kydex sheath
Water bottle with Aquamira drops, chemlights and a spoon
Cold mountain house meal-chicken salad
couple packets of tuna
Otis cleaning kit
IR perimeter alarm
Headlamp- Princeton tec Byte
Extra AAA batteries-Headlamp
4 extra CR123 batteries- Surefire/Streamlight/Nods
FAK- good one
2 glock 17 mags- loaded
10x compact Binos
Small notebook and pencil
Double ended gate clip
Tie WrapsMarch 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm #1932
Meister, what are the clothes pins for and can you describe what the IR perimeter alarm is.
Thanks.March 29, 2014 at 11:08 pm #1940
Meister, what are the clothes pins for and can you describe what the IR perimeter alarm is.<br>
I like to hang my socks on the sides of my pack to dry them. They are useful for many other things as well.
Brite Strike perimeter sensor. http://www.amazon.com/Brite-Strike-Perimeter-Infrared-Intrusion/dp/B0058PAG9CMarch 30, 2014 at 9:42 pm #1981
Took some pics of my full ruck before I threw it in the trailer.
The patrol bag fits to the back of it. Straps up well but you really need to drop some weight off it before you strap it on. Makes the ruck a bit too back heavy otherwise. The water hose is just long enough.
8×10 camo tarp
Patrol bag with gortex cover
MSR Pocket Rocket stove
Litech pot and pan
2 Isobutane cylinders
Sea to Summit eating utensils
half a sponge/scrubbing pad
2 bic lighters
Grand trunk UL hammock
Tarp rope/stakes kit
Nite Ize 9’s for ropes
Stainless 16oz cup
Coffee/Tea/sports drink mix
RITR notebook with pencil
Batteries: LiPo RCR123, R-AA, R-AAA, 12v solar charger, power pack
Fishing kit/snares/trip wire
ESS eyes system
RadioMarch 31, 2014 at 12:22 pm #2046John LangdonParticipant
For those of you who have an ALICE pack and want to replace it, this is a good replacement. Fox Outdoor makes a new ALICE pack that fits great over the old metal frame. https://www.foxoutdoor.com/ItemDetails.aspx?cid=3&ccid=22&cscid=172
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http://refreshingthetree.blogspot.com/April 14, 2014 at 11:07 pm #3312
Have a Spec-Ops pace very similar to one Meister shows. It sits in the back seat of my truck and has a little more than I need to get home with. My bowie, hawk, some food, ammo, fire starting gear, 1st aid gear, snivel gear, and a camel back bladder. Still working on my Hellcat pack. Got the desert camo painted up the other day and now in the process of putting it together. For those that may not know what a Hellcat is, it is a large Alice and frame with Molle straps and kidney belt. (best of both in my opinion). On each side I’ll have a sustainment pouch to add some more storage and get to quick items.May 1, 2014 at 7:26 pm #4380
My first post here, so apologies if I’m a little off topic! My pack is one I’d more likely label “BUG OUT BAG” than I would a patrol pack or rucksack. That said I think I could take what I have and tweak it to fit a patrol pack role.
The pack is weighing in at 20.6lbs after having substituted a few items listed and / or removed duplicates (elimination of a few fire starters for example and replacing the large two battery flashlight for the compact one battery same model). The listed weight doesn’t include the rifle or additional ammunition I’d toss into the empty pocket.
As for contents … top admin pocket:
Leatherman Wave, Field Notes notebook & pen, signal mirror (gotta look good for the ladies), tinder, and small roll of toilet paper.
Left side pocket:
Gerber Woodsman saw, lighter, survival spark, tinder, two packs of matches, metal match, magnesium fire starter, emergency whistle, two pocket lights (one with clip), p-38 can opener, knife sharpener, and extra buttons for pants in the main compartment.
Just above this pocket, threaded through a strap I have a roll of vinyl tape.
Directly below this pocket, on the underside of the bag is an easy to reach pocket where I’ve tethered a flashlight with a gear-keeper.
Beneath the outer tail is a large pocket:
Contents include a spool of 50′ parachute cord & lighter, camp shovel (small, but can do the job), and two light sticks of different colors.
Unzipping the main compartment also accesses an inner mesh pocket where I’ve stored gloves, hat, shemagh, ziplock bag w/ napkins (more tp, tinder, writing paper, etc), and a small box w/ cards – dice – paper – pencil because I hate being bored! (box of cards / dice removed to drop weight) …
The large inner compartment stores the bulk of equipment:
his includes a change of clothing: nylon cargo pants, long underwear shirt, and socks. One pouch holds a 10′ X 12′ nylon tarp for shelter. Two bottles of water with a nesting stainless steel cup which could be used for cooking.
The tan pouch holds two titanium sporks and another P-38 can opener, extra AA, AAA, and 123 Lithium batteries, shortwave radio, trash bag and ziplock (gallon and quart), and water purification tablets.
The green pouch stores all the medication I figure may be needed / wanted.
Antibiotics such as Penicillin and Amoxicillin … + others.
Pain medication from acetaminophen to Hydrocodone.
Muscle relaxers such as Xanax.
Anti-diarrheal and meds for nausea and vomiting.
Allergy relief – antihistamines.
Medical kit is obviously in the red pouch w/ white cross.
fine point scissors
surgical dressings (2x)
gauze roll / pads
band-aids (various sizes)
wound seal powder
medical tape (2 types)
emergency dental patch
small sewing kit (not intended for use on people!
I’ll add 2 pair of surgical gloves and a suture kit (I couldn’t sew anyone up, but my wife is more the able). I may have missed something in there!
Ziplock with food includes:
Oatmeal (boiled water poured into pouch) x2
granola (w/ extra protein) 1
instant cream of wheat x4
tuna in foil pouch x3
dried mango – for the extra sugar kick! 1
Starbucks instant french roast x6
herbal tea x3
I have a small fixed blade knife attached with a tek-lok to front of a shoulder strap.
The bag’s transporter tail can be dropped to access a pocket in which one can insert the butt of a rifle and use the upper straps to stabilize the load.
I also carry a “Hill People Recon Kit bag”, which carries two extra rifle magazines, pistol, and pistol magazines along with what I’d consider “admin” equipment…
I prefer a full sized 1911 with 8 rnd magazine (cocked and locked) inserted into a pistol holster insert from ITS. The holster is velcro loop which attaches to the hook velcro strip inside the kit bag’s pistol compartment.
I’ve tossed the following items into the front pocket:
Silva compass (vintage, but works superbly), Fisher space pen, field notes notebook, 2 extra magazines for pistol, bic mini-lighter, Swiss Army pocket knife, CountyComm SO-LED pocket light w/ clip, ITW survival whistle, 25′ of Kevlar string, a granola bar, 25ft para-cord, and fixed blade knife (if I need to dump the pack I still retain a good fixed blade). I’m thinking I should simply dump the fixed blade knife on the pack to reduce weight (this thing is a work in progress!) …
Last but not least, I thought of tossing in a “survival straw with water pouch” into the pistol compartment. Using an S ring to attach to the bottom of the pocket it keeps it from falling out and from getting in the way of handling the pistol.
That’s about it for now. Having recently put this together and continually taking it out (day hikes, range, etc) I know things will evolve, change, and get better as I learn what works best / easiest.
Thanks and kind regards, Bill472May 26, 2014 at 5:36 pm #5672
This has been discussed before but was looking for a little clarification because I can’t find what I read before. I use an old Alice ruck and have a new molle backpack I would like to set up as a patrol pack. Question is when carrying the ruck and have the backpack strapped to the ruck should I have the patrol pack loaded with the essentials and mission appropriate type gear? Or just have an empty pack attached to ruck?May 26, 2014 at 7:38 pm #5675D CloseModerator
Brian, most folks I’ve listened to either put that smaller pack inside or lash it on top of the ruck, mostly empty. My system, which uses the hated ILBE, but also works with the ALICE, is to put the gear I plan on transferring into its own pouch so it moves easily if I have to quickly ditch the ruck. I use the top cover pouch from the ILBE for this but you could use any decent zipper pouch. I tried securing the patrol pack loaded, externally and I found it to be very unwieldy. You might experiment with loading the patrol pack and using that internal to the ALICE. I just couldn’t make it work.
The only easy day was yesterdayMay 26, 2014 at 7:47 pm #5676SeanTModerator
How do you like that GP 4 radio?June 7, 2014 at 10:06 am #6037AnonymousInactiveJune 10, 2014 at 1:09 pm #6182AnonymousInactive
Running a battle belt, so I’ve been looking for a short-backed Bergen. I’ve been using a Medium ALICE, slightly modified (Tomcat mod) as a large daypack.
I tried to use the ILBE, but it doesn’t work with the battle belt. Currently playing around with a MOLLE II rucksack that’s in UCP/ACU.
Thinking of getting a large ALICE with frame, but what I really would like is to get an actual Bergen.
I’m 5’8″ and of average frame. What kind of main ruck should I be looking at? Will a Large ALICE with frame sit on the battle belt?July 4, 2014 at 3:39 pm #6990
What is the make and model of that bag? Forgive me if I missed it, but I don’t see it listed anywhere.July 10, 2014 at 1:49 pm #7197AnonymousInactive
My pack currently:
-GI waterproof liner bag
-Green fleece jacket
-Black insulated watch cap
-20 oz. Stainless steel cook Pot
-MSR pocket rocket stove w/X2 gas cells
-X2 32oz. Nalagene bottles
-GI plastic flask
-sea to summit anodized cook spoon
-roll of black duct tape
-100 ft of heavy duty cordage
-quick drying backpacker towel
-bag of food (mountain house, noodles, etc…)
-×2 large zip ties
-red parachute flare
-sawyer water filter
-Green surplus danish concealment net
-ultralight fleece blanket
-roll of toilet paper
-bag of 12 Chem light
-toothbrush, toothpaste,& Floss
-butane lighter, magnesium firestarter, GI pocket knife, PA can opener, waterproof matches, X2 road flares, pill bottle petroleum jelly impregnated cotton balls, and two tampons for fire making
-Becker knife & tool companion ll field knife
-bottle of biodegradable soap
-8 30 rd. AR mags in bandoliersAugust 13, 2014 at 2:15 pm #8364MichaelParticipant
I dont like to stir up things but I think the whole BUG idea has overrun the concept.
Before you load up a bag with as much crap as you can fit in it, define what the mission is. More often than not, getting home slick and fast is better than hauling 2 weeks of crap for a 6 hr trip. Example is my situation. Im 7 miles from home at work, I can run that in an hour, so I need a loaded pack in my truck like I need 3 more wives and a football bat. I need 4 bottles of water to get home and all my critical gear at the house instead of in the truck to be left behind.
I am not saying all of the ideas are bad but do you really need all the stuff you are hauling on your back just in case?
Mission defines gear, gear does not define missionAugust 13, 2014 at 2:33 pm #8366
Michael, I believe what you are describing is a bug-in situation, where you only need a little gear to get you to your home. A bug-out kit requires consideration of the whole nine yards.August 13, 2014 at 4:49 pm #8371MichaelParticipant
I guess I wasnt clear. I was trying to say you need layers, not 1 do everything.September 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm #9000
I just purchased this as a “Daypack” in MULTICAM, in the Lite-Lok material, one of the guys at the Labor Day CP I just attended had this pack and I really liked it.
As far as a daypack goes, let me know your thoughts, also their are some “Youtube” videos on people torture testing it as well.September 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm #9001Joe (G.W.N.S.)Moderator
I like Grey Ghost Gears packs.
I’ve been considering their Stealth Operator Pack as a daypack.
The Stealth Operator Pack is designed as a low visibility recce pack that can be utilized in a civilian or military environment. The pack features a large main compartment as well as a center zip accessory pocket. Inside the center zip pocket there are admin and organizational pockets as well as a concealed holster to covertly carry a handgun. Also includes heavy duty zippers, grab handle, sternum strap and a 3L hydration pocket.
They currently have a Back to School Sale – Select colors 30% off, while supplies last. At $76.30 on sale it’s a great pack. From what I understand it’s Grey Ghost designed Tactical Tailor manufactured.October 6, 2014 at 11:28 pm #10031
Here’s a question,
How much does your third line gear weigh?
I just put together my gear for a deer hunt and will be using the same basic loadout for my regular set up:
MOLLE Rifleman’s Rucksack
In main pouch:
1 BDU shirt, 1 pair BDU pants, 1 pair underwear, 1 pair socks, 1 tshirt, ranger rolled together.
1 field jacket w/o liner.
In sleeping pouch:
1 patrol sleeping bag.
1 backpacking tarp with stakes and guylines in stuff sack.
In claymore pouch:
1 cookset with stove and fuel.
On hip belt:
2 1QT canteens in pouches.
It weighs in at just under 30 lbs without food and water.
For a 3 day and 2 night trek carrying all food and water it weighs in at 52 lbs, (nearly 3 gallons of water)
What about you guys?October 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm #10522
I have been looking at this pack for a while. What I would like to know if anybody has any experience with this pack and this type of camouflage? My AO is similar to West Virginia but I live in the foothills of eastern Ohio. This would be for a three day bag?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030C4W2M/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER The camo color is: A-TACS-FG
October 30, 2014 at 7:04 pm #10854KeeperParticipant
Who make your Pack I like the Ideal of the rifle being on the back side of the pack
Alumni living in N.E Fla. for now. Going to retire in Iowa on the farm some day soon.November 4, 2014 at 12:40 pm #11147
@ Jake mine weighs in roughly the same, I also have much water, 2 3 liter carriers and a canteen full also. Much of what is in your 3rd line gear is based on: Time of Deployment, Season and what your mission is, this is going to dictate what’s found in your Ruck. Just my .2c…..November 12, 2014 at 9:50 am #11545AnonymousInactive
Well, I went out on a hike with a long-back Bergen over the weekend. It holds a massive amount.
<edited. problem with picture upload fixed now>February 16, 2015 at 5:43 pm #14352Red WarriorParticipant
I think I must be getting dumb. I’ve read all the blogs on rucksacks and patrol packs, but I’m still not sure on the sizing? The patrol pack is smaller and you can attach it to the rucksack (mostly empty cause you put the stuff from the patrol pack into the rucksack?). So what is the size range on each pack? Patrol-2000-3000 cubic inches? Rucksack-2500-4000?? The only thing I have that can be considered one of them is this: http://www.lapolicegear.com/diplomat-3-day-backpack1.html
It’s 2590 cubic inches. Help a poor fellow out that can’t see straight!!February 16, 2015 at 7:25 pm #14356Mike HParticipant
Red Warrior…I would suggest if you don’t have a ruck setup yet…a cheaper “starter” rig would be a surplus Alice pack w/ frame and a surplus cold war patrol pack(most of them will roll up).
Max has some ruck ideas in the Blog posts and the guys around here are very helpful.
I use a Large framed Alice w/ a smaller German pack half filled inside. This setup holds all my winter stuff..sleep bag, pad, MVT shield(shelter), change of clothes, e-tool, ammo resupply, 3 day food, spare canteens, extra first aid/odd comfort stuff…with some spare room for forage. This setup works with my battle belt.
"These are not men, but devils" --Colonel Francisco de Paula-Milan, Mexican Army, Camerone 30 April 1863February 18, 2015 at 3:21 pm #14442
Anyone using the new(ish) USMA ILBE pack? The whole package with the patrol pack and camelback looks very appealing.
Wondering if it rides lower than the large alice which I am stuck with due to using a BB.
Not sure if I should send my lg alice to TT for the malice upgrades or just invest in a new pack
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