October 23, 2015 at 9:24 am #21945DiznNCParticipant
There were some comments recently, on another forum, about the practicality of civilians learning SUT and such. The gist of it was that you really shouldn’t bother because: 1) you can’t possibly learn it in 6 days, and 2) even if you did, there’s no way to sustain it, in a local setting.
Eh, well, let me say this about that. After participating in over 9 classes this year, and seeing all sorts of different students come through the VTC, I will say that you can learn the basics in 6 concentrated days (and nights) of training. In fact, if you took out all the admin/logistics bullshit out of a .mil training schedule, this is probably as much, if not more, than an average line troop would get in quarterly training. Or what a reservist/NG troop would see in a year. So this idea of whether you spent a year in training, or a very concentrated week, is really irrelevant, when you compare actual live-fire training time. Oops, there it is.
Some have said, there’s no way to do this level of live fire training without weeks and weeks of the dry fire, blank fire, walks throughs and endless rehearsals. I used to say that myself. Now I know different. I’ve seen it done. There IS a different way to do things, other than what Uncle Sugar teaches. Wow. How about that. How many times can you say it? The Brits are some of the best light infantry on the planet.
Then there’s the sustainment issue. OK good point. This is a valid concern. However, it IS doable. I just spent yesterday out in the bush with a fellow MVT alumni. We did a refresher course of CTT/CP. Started with weapons manip drills, went into live fire drills, then fire and maneuver drills. We then did a security patrol around the AO, returning to out target lanes for some live fire break contact drills. This is just a start. We both have buddies that we want to add to the mix, forming a 4-man team.
This is the next logical step. You have to get together at the local level, after attending CTT/CP, and work out your own SOP. Once your team is formed, come back through training as a 4-man team, and kick it up a notch or two. Imagine running through the courses again as a dedicated 4-man team. It’s what we plan to do. I know we barely scratched the surface of Max’s knowledge; think about how much more you’re going to learn with your own team.
Well anyways, just wanted put this out there. As always, one man’s opinion, for your consideration.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, RiflemanOctober 23, 2015 at 9:40 am #21947BuddyParticipant
However, certain Leatherneck units are pretty bad ass also! Was a good time out there in the boonies.
LEGAL British immigrant, who embraces the freedoms of the US Constitution and lives happily in good old South Carolina(one of the last free states).October 24, 2015 at 12:57 am #21965MaxKeymaster
I did not realize it until Max and I started working together, but a lot of what certain units in the USMC and the Brits do is very similar. But then again, many units in the suck have very different TTP’s from each other…
I will say this, that there is obvious sustainability with this training. Repeat students obviously retain quite a bit, and demonstrate repeatable execution to standard with minimal, if any review/correction. As an instructor I love having a higher speed class where we can really start to push the limits, and get into training that isn’t normally part of the original POI.October 24, 2015 at 7:21 pm #21974tangoParticipant
Diz you are lucky to have such resources and like minded folk around. Very glad to see you’re able to network effectively.
Sustainability is definitely a legitimate point.
Weak Men can't be virtuous. - JBPOctober 25, 2015 at 8:16 am #21978DiznNCParticipant
Yeah, and it was all because of MVT that we came together.
This is the whole point of this exercise.
CTT 1505, NODF 1505, CP 1503, LN 1, RC II, Rifleman
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