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  • #63569
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    Andrew
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    Supposedly their are two now. I’m curious if anyone here is concerned about the large number of military aged males, particularly in caravan 1?

    Does anyone here think that this is just a coincidence that it is happening right about the time of the mid-term elections?

    The women and children are tools that will be exploited by the media world wide.

    Folks, when you cut through all the associated bovine scat, this is an invasion, or am I wrong?

    #63570
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    Robert
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    “Tomorrow, five years or 25 years from now, we are going to take 10-15 million Mexicans and they are going to go into Dallas, go into El Paso, do into San Antonio.. and each will have the idea in his head of killing 10 Americans.” Tomas Borge Nicaraguan communist back in 1986’ish?

    I always think of that quote when I see this stuff.

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    #63571
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    Andrew
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    They are doing the same thing with Central Americans that the Muslims have done to Europe. Teach your kids and grandkids Spanish, they may need it.

    #63573
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    First Sergeant
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    I am always concerned with a large concentration Of MAM’s. Nothing good ever comes from that.

    I heard on the radio today that VP pence said he was told that the caravans were being financed by Venezuela. One of the CA countries president told him that. Can’t find the article now.

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    #63579
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    Andrew
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    Interesting about Venezuela. Seems possible given the source and us allegedly having thought about attacking Venezuela. Plus, them being Socialist ties in with our own wannabe Socialists.

    However, if they are financing it, that might fit into the category of “an act of war.”

    #63580
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Obviously the midterms are the reason.

    If Venezuela is the cutout source of financing it could lead to other interesting actions, but make no mistake our Socialists are involved too.

    Also consider the possible complications of us stopping them at the border.

    It would be difficult to stop without using weapons, the presence of children as shields for Socialist propaganda pictures will be easy material to spin for the ignorant.

    Consider also that a handful of armed provocateurs within this mob could create a massacre situation.

    So how do you stop them and avoid these complications?

    Proving collusion of our Socialists would be helpful.

    Massive manpower would be required to physically stop this mob.

    Remember that this Force needs to be able to not only deal with a mob to their front, but a mob to their rear as well. Anyone here think our useful idiots won’t show up?

    Pushing the narrative to all we can that this is a mob with children as shields could be helpful.

    It’s very difficult to predict the outcome and a unforseen black swan event could easily happen.

    A wall would certainly be helpful. ;-)

    #63581
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Also when I discuss this I never use “carravan,” this is a mob!

    #63583
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    joe m
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    Whenever I hear about this mob I think about a nice young lady I met in a training class some years ago. She told me she was from Mexico and her family had legally immigrated here and were very appreciative of the chance and all worked and contributed to society. I wonder what they think of these coming invaders?

    #63584
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    veritas556
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    Also when I discuss this I never use “carravan,” this is an mob invasion! – FIFY

    #63586
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    Hessian
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    There are 2 caravans.. and yes the women and children are used by the globalist media to manipulate women and young people into buying into their narrative.

    Even if the caravans were only women and children they should still be turned back due to the cultural impact as well as financial burden they would place on the US. Few of these people understand the true values of our founding fathers and would vote people into government positions that would continue the mirror their former countries.

    The Army and Marines need to be down on our boarder as of yesterday. They should set up FOBs on the mexican side of the boarder to patrol with Mexican police and military. Those caught should be placed into camps in mexico where they will be sent back to their country of origin.

    The FOBs will be temporary and after the completion of a wall (physical and electronic monitoring)

    There was a gallup poll done not too long ago, and and between 50 to 170 million from central and south america would like to come here to the US. This does not include those trying to get here from Africa, the question when is enough going to be enough with allowing people to emigrate to this country. Especially those who will cause a massive cultural shift.

    #63588
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    RobRoy
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    It’s organized theft in a world that dresses up theft in fancy words

    #63592
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    Andrew
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    Also when I discuss this I never use “carravan,” this is a mob!

    I don’t think “mob” is the correct word. It is an army, as in invasion. These folks are doing what the Germans and Japanese couldn’t do.

    #63593
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    It is an army, as in invasion.

    After decades of not taken illegal aliens seriously by government, supposedly 400,000 just this year.

    Invasion just doesn’t work for me, but don’t let that stop you. ;-)

    Build a wall, put in a minefield, use military. Any or all of this doesn’t bother me.

    America is soft on this, hell we don’t like people getting hurt in a war. So how are we supposed to stop this current mob?

    I really doubt we have the stomach to use force, even when fired on!

    A wall would help, but even it won’t solve this.

    Maybe after a collapse people will get serious about security, until then?

    Can Trump/we survive deadly force to stop this mob? :unsure:

    #63595
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    Andrew
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    The optics (world wide) would be horrible with the use of deadly force, even with video proof that it was defensive.

    Closing the border (if they should try to cross at the POEs) would only work for about 3 days or so before the political pressure from Mexico and local merchants on this side crying about losing sales, would force them to back off. That’s exactly what happened when we closed the border when the Mexicans killed DEA Agent Camerena.

    I’m thinking aerial dispersed irritants, depending on the wind. Water cannons in urban areas, but out in the brush it probably wouldn’t work.

    Oh, BTW, there is a second caravan behind this one apparently.

    #63601
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    ffhounddog
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    I still say use AC-130s and use this as a training exercise. They fly drones from Holloman AFB now so I say load up and play a video game. I am sick and tired of these fucktards.

    Support Side. Not flattering but better than weak side.

    #63603
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    Darkrivers
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    I still say use AC-130s and use this as a training exercise. They fly drones from Holloman AFB now so I say load up and play a video game. I am sick and tired of these fucktards.

    Are you seriously condoning using aircraft to slaughter a bunch of civilians? Armed militants I can understand but illegal aliens…. really? :wacko:

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    #63604
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    veritas556
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    Whatever the response, Trump is in quite a pickle. If he lets them in, in any fashion, say goodbye to his base for 2020. If he is forced into using physical force, in any fashion, the likelihood of a bad outcome gets quite high. Diplomacy with Mexico doing the dirty work is the best and most hopeful option. AC-130s notwithstanding ;)

    #63610
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Are you seriously…

    I suspect that was more a frustration comment, than a recommended action.

    However…

    Do remember there are many violations of U.S. Laws and Regulations that involve no violence or threat of violence that are solved with deadly force by Government when individuals refuse to comply.

    Of course those killed are U.S. Citizens, not poor illegal aliens! ;-)

    #63613
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    Darkrivers
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    Are you seriously…

    I suspect that was more a frustration comment, than a recommended action.

    However…

    Do remember there are many violations of U.S. Laws and Regulations that involve no violence or threat of violence that are solved with deadly force by Government when individuals refuse to comply.

    Of course those killed are U.S. Citizens, not poor illegal aliens! ;-)

    I don’t agree with those actions either. Evil perpetrated in the name of laws and regulations is no less evil. The amount of vitriol being generated by both sides of the political spectrum is ridiculous and only serves as a distraction from real issues like government waste, overreach, reduction of freedom, legislative gridoock, and a political ruling class that seems to be above the law. I find it abhorrent that someone would advocate violence against civilians, particularly including women and children. Joe, I appreciate your efforts in keeping us well informed and our discussions on an even keel.
    :good:

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    #63615
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    First Sergeant
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    Then you really wouldn’t like my ideas.

    My wife is an immigrant and a naturalized citizen. We did it the right way.

    I have zero sympathy for any of them. They want to come here to get free shit and destroy what’s left of this country and turn it into another third world shithole. The left in this country and some on the right are all for it.

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    #63616
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    I believe many of these people in this mob are being sold a fairytale of life here in the US.

    In reality they are just pawns in game they don’t even know exists.

    I’ve spent much time in Central America, these people would be better off working to fix their own Nations.

    Like Mexico, the only reason they haven’t had a modern Revolution is our acting as a escape option and unknown to most the Drug Cartels work to keep Governments destabilized enough to prevent meaningful change.

    So by not securing our border then either destroying the Cartels by Military action, eliminating the users, or by Legalizing all drugs we are instrumental in our own potential destruction.

    Just one of many ways we may fall!

    #63620
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    rampantraptor
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    These folks are fleeing countries racked by ineffectual US-backed political regimes and a failed War on Drugs. MS-13 was partially founded by veterans of a US-fueled civil war in El Salvador. I’m sure there are some old Ron Paul acolytes here that can recall his speech on blowback.

    I think this is a disaster whichever way it goes but I’m not blaming the folks fleeing, I blame the money makers who profit off their despair. I have trouble believing that anyone here wouldn’t flee El Salvador if they were from there and some shady guys were giving them money with an offer to migrate to the States. Can we judge those individuals for not starting some revolution against their home nations while we constantly complain about our inability to change the trajectory of our own country?

    Say the Hondurans or whoever decided to take their country back, nevermind filthy rich cartels, they’d be staring down US Special Forces because they’d be threatening some American’s sweatshops in the process. Fixing those issues would run contrary to US (corporate) interests, remember the term “banana republic” first applied to these countries and we’re now finally slipping on the peels. (Sorry, that bad joke was too easy.) The only folks who would even offer them the means to change those countries for the better would be socialist movements, and then that would be an issue itself. Working-class me isn’t gonna blame working-class Pedro because some guy in his ivory tower in a gated community in California or wherever is fucking both of us over.

    We’ve successfully absorbed and assimilated other waves of migrants, I’m not really for cultural nationalism. I’d take a thousand Africans, Salvadorans, Arabs, whatever if they were serious about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it doesn’t bother me. With our divided political climate I’m not sure if there’s any politically palpable way to validate that kind of commitment to our values, though.

    I don’t think that we should establish a precedent by allowing caravans simply because they are too big to control, at the same time this administration has proven too inept at detaining large numbers of people without making asses out of themselves, e.g., the whole child separation thing. There are folks making jokes about mowing civvies down with AC-130s and seriously suggesting mining the border, I don’t buy the “It was for their own safety” line.

    All that being said, this could very well backfire against the Democrats if it drives enough Republicans to the polls, when Trump says it’s an invasion and there’s a crowd of folks waving foreign flags headed for the US, well damn if it’s not hammer meets nail. I’m surprised no one here suggested that.

    I honestly think this whole immigration crisis is largely manufactured, politically useful bullshit.

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    #63624
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    joe m
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    I would be interested in knowing how many of these “migrant’s” have been deported before. I saw a quote in one news article that one man said he missed his xbox and going to Buffalo Wild Wing’s.

    #63625
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    …failed War on Drugs.

    “War on Drugs” was a slogan, not actual policy.

    Legalization is the best option, though I would still do a concurrent JDAM strike on all known Cartel infrastructure and primary leadership to limit influence.

    If you can’t sell “legalization” then you have to stop use, which is possible, but is not a palatable option for most.

    …if they were serious about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…

    Such immigrants are as rare as your “kinder gentler” Socialists you have theorized in our discussions. ;-)

    …the whole child separation thing.

    When parents are arrested with children present, the children are always separated! This is true for everyone in U.S. not just illegals. There is no take your daughter/son to jail day!

    This was little more than a somewhat successful propaganda point!

    This doesn’t even begin to get into unaccompanied children, children used as props for unrelated adults, trafficked children, and small stature illegals posing as children.

    As far as various misdeeds regarding policy in Latin America in the past I would point out both parties complicity in such actions dating back more than a hundred years. Very short sighted and related to election cycle expedience.

    We as a nation need to decide on what is appropriate legal immigration and stop illegal immigration.

    Bottom line we can’t afford our own people’s problems, importing others who can’t be self sufficient is just stupid!

    As far as Latin Americans ability to correct their own nations issues whether through reform or revolution is up to them.

    Eliminating fleeing here is a step in the right direction to that end!

    #63628
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    Sam Brady
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    Close the border. It wont take too many days before the government of Mexico responds. They need the crossings open much more than we do. Their system of governance depends upon the flow of dollars, legal and illegal across the border.
    Legal immigration is one thing, this is an invasion. I care zero about the optics…..

    #63629
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    Darkrivers
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    Then you really wouldn’t like my ideas.

    My wife is an immigrant and a naturalized citizen. We did it the right way.

    I have zero sympathy for any of them. They want to come here to get free shit and destroy what’s left of this country and turn it into another third world shithole. The left in this country and some on the right are all for it.

    My wife is also an immigrant and naturalized citizen. The political ruling class are the ones ruining the country. I agree that these illegal immigrants that don’t assimilate make our country worse and should be blocked from entering. I think slaughtering them wholesale is a little extreme. I would also venture to say that this country is probably doomed no matter what any of us do.

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    #63748
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    WashPo: Trump Will Announce Anti-Caravan Plan on Tuesday

    Excerpt:

    President Donald Trump will announce Tuesday how he will use his extraordinary powers over legal immigration to block the caravan and other asylum-seeking economic migrants, according to the Washington Post.

    We’ll see if it happens.

    #63749
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    Andrew
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    I’m sure that there are all sorts of TOTALITARIAN attorneys out there working (and salivating) to be the first get to their favorite liberal judge to stay/block whatever it is the administration comes up with. :wacko:

    #63750
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    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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    Yea, but the more they do it, the more I think one day they will just be ignored!

    Whether that’s good or bad is certainly up for debate. :unsure:

    #63751
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    Andrew
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    It will be a long time before the courts are also cleaned. They have been perverted/corrupted just like 99% of the rest of government…local, state, or fed.

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