January 9, 2015 at 8:19 pm #13321AnonymousInactive
Recently I got a deal on a sightly used TAC-CON 3MR Trigger.
I paid about as much as a new decent Geissele goes for.
Many of you will know what the TAC-Con is… for those who dont, it’s an aftermarket trigger that offers the ability to rotate the selector switch to the “auto ” positions and advertises something close to full auto for comparable to a bump stock but w/o the inherent ungainliness of the bump stock.
It is not uncontroversial.
has been derided as a “Gimmick” by some reviewers and been described as “works as advertised” by others.
The original advertisement video was a bit sensationalist and seemed to promise something approximating full auto.
So here is my experience with it.
– Looking at the parts I found it to be a beautiful Unit, very nice CNC machining with clearly very high end materials. Just a beaut its a shame to hide it in the lower. It seems to have a very nice coating on it and their website identifies it as Nickel teflon.
– It comes with a small printed card to keep in your wallet that shows the ATF letter that its legal so you dont get arrested by some overzealous LEO.
– The Selector switch seems to made of a Some Teflon coated Nylon with some steel rings covering where it meets the trigger. Kinda would prefer it to be like the regular selector which I understand are made out of aluminum
– The installation was a complete bitch.
Everyone says it’s easy and the trigger “just drops in” as aunit but they apparently dindt try to put it into a LWRC lower which appears to be every so slightly off in the stock holes that mount the trigger/sear disconnect.
I put so much pressure on the unit by hand I was getting worried about bending the trigger or something. In the end it simply dindt work w/ a LWRC lower.
Since all reviewers seemed to rave about how easy it was to put it in, I was at a loss until I found a reviewer who stated “does not work in all lowers”.
Well clearly it works in most, because I took the lower off a radon rifle of mine (the Troy) Troy rifle (which got my LWRC lower to run it’s stock trigger) and this worked fine.Troy lower mixed in with the FDE upper and the pre existing dark trim on the FDE rifle, breaks up the silhouette more I’d imagine. Pls disregard the date stamps on the pics)
– Took it to the range today I must say I love the semi-auto setting….. no take up at all super smooth and light. This would also make a fine trigger for a DMR rifle IMO (tho in all fairness I must state I have little experience with high end aftermarket triggers,.. maybe they are all this good?..)
– Put it on the “full-auto” setting. The first half of the first mag I couldt get it to work, but by my second mag I was making 3-6 round bursts no problem.
– By the 4th Mag I could do almost the whole mag in a burst, maybe wiht one “stoppage” into Semi.
– Unlike a real full auto gun you still have to put a little concentration and focus into your trigger as you ride the breaking point of the trigger into astrin gof shots
– There is not doubt in my mind that with just a little more practice it will become easier and easier for me to shoot in bursts. Even now after my first shoot I am confident of burst fire
– Not everyone seems to be able to make it work. My buddy who I was shooting with, a very competent gun guy with multiple Combat Arms deployments to the middle east in high end units, was not able to make it work at all (within the 20 rds I gave him).
Since it wasn’t his ammo he didnt want to keep trying but this is just as word of caution not everyone seems to have a “knack” for it, even though I am pretty sure most will be able to make it work eventually.
– In summary, though it may be harder to run than it looks in the ads, it is clear to me, that this trigger works exactly as advertised.January 9, 2015 at 8:34 pm #13324RRSParticipant
Honestly with current ARs I just don’t see the point. I’m quite sure there is a point to machine guns since even the Germans made it a point to make them the centerpiece in some respects.
Anyway I do agree with the Germans that the riflemen support the weapons system and not the other way around, but I don’t always agree that the weapons system always has to be a bullet spewer.
In the battle for Ramadi Chris Kyle and other snipers were the weapons systems and they more than not only fired one round at a time.
Tactical training for Liberty, Fraternity, ExcellenceJanuary 9, 2015 at 8:40 pm #13325AnonymousInactive
RRS: “Semi auto” may be the way to go in the vast majority of situations but that is very much a separate subject.
This thread is a about “what does this item do” rather than ” How should we employ X capability”January 9, 2015 at 8:50 pm #13326RRSParticipant
Pardon me hopefully the edit worked this time, site seemed kind of buggy last night. But honestly I seen what you bought and my first thought was playtoy, nothing wrong with that, but some times I get too serious.
Tactical training for Liberty, Fraternity, ExcellenceJanuary 10, 2015 at 9:50 am #13330AnonymousInactive
This seems fun but I just could not justify the $500 they wanted when it first came out. I’ve also seen what can be done with mil spec triggers. After a few mods myself and playing with other triggers I went with the Geissele Super 3 Gun. I have not been disappointed! Had you got a good deal!January 10, 2015 at 10:19 am #13336AnonymousInactive
MSRP is now down to $400. I paid much less than that slightly used.
Also the cost of the trigger really becomes unimportant when you use its capabilities because your firearm suddenly develops a voracious appetite for ammunition
I’ll bring the gun next weekend you gonna be there?January 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm #13338ChrisModerator
Ill see ya there freddy, will be interesting to see thisJanuary 11, 2015 at 11:26 am #13349AnonymousInactive
Update: In response to an email inquiry of mine a company rep gave ,me his weekend number and answered my questions about the selector:
Robert at Tac-con told me the selector switch is aluminum and the inside of the selector where it meets the trigger assembly is steel.
The Trigger just looks a bit like polymer since the covering tends to come out a bit shiny but its all aluminum and steel.January 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm #13356AnonymousInactive
Found it on sale for 375 USD….
Might get another one
http://www.texas-ar.com/products/lower-parts/triggers/taccon-3-mode-select-fire-trigger.htmlJune 30, 2015 at 4:26 pm #18832AnonymousInactive
MSRP is down to 348 USD..July 1, 2015 at 7:18 am #18867ffhounddogParticipant
I might have to get one. Put it in my new Colt lower or Anderson lower. Hmmmm
Support Side. Not flattering but better than weak side.July 6, 2015 at 10:35 pm #18983AnonymousInactive
Shot the trigger again this weekend.
Again it reliably worked exactly as advertised.
I think observers had a hard time distinguishing it from true automatic bursts.
Longest strings were about 20 rds of “auto” before I lost the “sweet spot” on the trigger (you have to hold it “just-so”)
Either I am getting better at this or this new version of the trigger is easier to use.
I think for SUT training it might be a useful addition to aid in battle field inoculation and get students used to “automatic” fire around them so they can realize it’s not the death wand Hollywood makes it out to be.
Trigger does exactly as advertised ,again and again.
The selector switch which is shiny billet is a bit too smooth for my liking as it results in very soft “dentents” when I switch between “Safe” , “Semi” and “auto” settings.
A couple of times during prepper-lanes last weekend when I flopped on the ground during fire and movement, I flipped the switch from safe to a postion a bit too far between “semi” and “auto” and as a result I had a dead trigger until I pushed it back a bit.
Am looking for a stronger selector switch spring to help alleviate that.
May not be the sole fault of trigger as I had little experience w/ this lower prior to TAC CON installation.
Pros: it is a lot of fun, works as advertised and may contribute to SUT training..
Con : Eats lots of ammo quickly if you let it and IMHO contributes little to your actual combat Power (just like on issue rifles.. except you have to spend more effort on the shooting itself as the trigger needs to be held just so)July 8, 2015 at 11:29 am #19019Jon R T (aka Blind Sack)Participant
I bought one of the Tac Con’s. Haven’t found the sweet spot yet (just haven’t worked with it enough) but I did notice the dead trigger issue between semi and “auto” when I fiddling with it. I have a really good strong spring on the rifle I used it in, so it wasn’t an issue.
I have seen two quick and dirty fixes for a week selector spring (i.e. not buying a new spring).
1) put a small spacer in the hole in the GRIP (like the head of a small finishing nail head or ground down detent) THEN the spring on top. This does really work.
2) manually and gently stretch the spring. Does not work very well (incremental change at most)
I have noticed that not all selectors are created equal with the detent holes being deeper in some. Often switching the selector works but with the Tac Con this is obviously not an option. Some grip detent holes are slightly off (too shallow or too deep) thus swapping your grip may help.
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CTT/CP June/July 2015, Run n Gun/CQB/FoF 2016, DA Georgia 2017, DCH Georgia 2018July 29, 2015 at 10:51 pm #19512AnonymousInactive
thanks for the pointer I will try that!! :)
Also an update.
Used the TAC-CON again this weekend .
this was in the support-by-fire postions.
Worked extremely well, never “lost my string” unless I wanted to (stuck to 4-6 rd bursts at first) and then was on “faux” auto for entire mags (six of ’em)
Not saying everyone should get this trigger as I dont value full auto as a capability all that high for us preppers.
Ammuniton Management is more critical for us…
BUT the trigger clearly an be useful either in a training support role or real world I can imagine it being useful when executing an ambush at shorter distances where maximum volume of fire is needed right in the beginning.March 18, 2016 at 12:29 am #25363LinemanParticipant
Sad isn’t it…All the hoops we have to jump through just to exercise what should of never been taken in the first place…You think the founders would laugh at us or shake their heads in disgust…I know the ATF laughs their asses off at us serfs…They have us thinking that we are getting one up on them but they know if there were no laws on this stuff then it wouldnt even cost us a tenth of what we pay now for items that are imitations of the real thing.. Ponder on that…March 18, 2016 at 7:59 am #25368janeParticipant
I would be careful about relying on any self-contained, drop-in trigger. I had a Timney trigger fail hard on me during a DMR match. No, it was not a Tac-con, but built similarly. This was after maybe 3000 rounds on the trigger. After that, several people I know came forward with stories of similar issues. Make sure you put lots of rounds through it before relying on it.March 18, 2016 at 1:14 pm #25377
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